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Old Dec 16, 2005 | 12:14 AM
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I'm not convinced.

I despise Bush and everything the neo-con cabal stands for, but I don't think 9/11 was planned or allowed to happen by anyone consciously.

There will always be conspiracy theories surrounding any event of this magnitude.

I think the most important thing is for us to keep our eyes on the ball and pay attention to what allowed this to happen in the first place and pay VERY close attention to what the government says and does now and what they are up to.

There is enough shady stuff happening right under our noses that CAN be proven, to focus on, without worrying about crazy conspiracies! These guys are outing CIA agents to punish critics of the administration. They are STILL trying to call the action in Iraq "the central front of the war on terror" even though we had exactly ZERO problems with terrorists in Iraq before the invasion.

Lets keep our eyes on the ball here guys. We've seen what can happen when we don't....
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It has nothing to do with intelligence, it's about not being DUPED by people more stupid than you are. Most of you have more brains than the drug abusing pot smoker who created that movie.

All it takes is 30 seconds of google searching, and 5 minutes of dilligent reading. Most of America is not that stupid. . . but we fail to question the sources of our information, and verify the accuracy of their claims. It really is ignorance.
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Biznox
I'm not convinced.

I despise Bush and everything the neo-con cabal stands for, but I don't think 9/11 was planned or allowed to happen by anyone consciously.

There will always be conspiracy theories surrounding any event of this magnitude.

I think the most important thing is for us to keep our eyes on the ball and pay attention to what allowed this to happen in the first place and pay VERY close attention to what the government says and does now and what they are up to.

There is enough shady stuff happening right under our noses that CAN be proven, to focus on, without worrying about crazy conspiracies! These guys are outing CIA agents to punish critics of the administration. They are STILL trying to call the action in Iraq "the central front of the war on terror" even though we had exactly ZERO problems with terrorists in Iraq before the invasion.

Lets keep our eyes on the ball here guys. We've seen what can happen when we don't....
I agree with you 99%, except for the "not convinced" part. I'm not sure what you meant there.

Yes, there is a ton of shady stuff happening. . . but they aren't conspiracies either. . . they are corrupt acts of government and/or stupid stupid negligent decisions. Add to that list self-motivated actions. . . like money. But that's not conspiracy. . . that's corruption. . . at least in the common definition of the term.
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 12:31 AM
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Keep in mind Clinton couldn't keep a little oral gratification a secret. . . big plots are even harder to cover up, with as many potential leaks that they can have.
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 12:53 AM
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That video raises some interesting thoughts, though I agree that the video quality is too crappy to make anything out (at least online). As the narrator was like, "see?" me: No. "one more time?" No. "Didn't catch it?" Catch what?

Anyway. I hate arguing about politics. It's obvious that this video is biased. It's obvious that all sources of information are biased that are widely available. Only if I had been been there that day, with a full knowledge of the underside of Boeing aircraft, and seen the proposed inconsistency with my own eyes, would I know a fact. Otherwise, I remain stuck between two arguments, realizing that my political views are hugely influenced by my parents and not really any of my own research, stuck here knowing that I'm hearing lies from both sides.

I can't vote in the poll.
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 01:21 AM
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I voted for bush, and this video showed some good points, i think its true to some extent, but i do not agree with some of the points. like the "missle on the plane" probably not, but the explosives already wired in the building, maybe. i thought it strange that the building fell so quickly already, since the steel is supposed to withstand 2,000 degrees for several hours, and the jet fuel burned at max 1,377 degrees for 50 mins.
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Originally Posted by djct_watt
Here are some link that debunk the video:
http://ourworld-top.cs.com/mikegriffith1/refute.htm
http://www.rotten.com/library/conspi...iracy_theories
http://www.911-strike.com/debunking.htm

And not all of these are biased, and have more links within the links.

But nobody wants to read what smart people write, they'd rather see a little flash movie by some retard with no education.
Actually one of the links you gave http://www.911-strike.com/debunking.htm supports the video, is debunks the theory that 19 arabs hijacked 4 planes.
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 03:22 AM
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Hey XB BOY thanks for the Avatar

I freakkkkin love it


T BAG! hahaa
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 08:40 AM
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If you trully believe...that 2-4 Arabs took over a plane with box cutter knives your trully a complete moron.




2 words



SHADOW GOVERNMENT



Theirs more to it then meets the eye, do you really think the Government that we see is th real thing!?!?!? NO!! Its simply a puppet Government,.


DENY IGNORANCE!! IDIOTS!!!
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 09:38 AM
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i just finished watching a 4 hour documentry at http://prisonplanet.com/ and for those of you that didnt believe that video because of "3rd party quotes" this video dives much deeper than just the attacks, but motives of the goverment to establish a New world order. i highly recommend watching this video.
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 02:39 PM
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4 hours?!?! wtf man thats to much
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 05:57 PM
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let me get this straight 70% of the people think that 9/11 was a consipracy.
are there any trees not being held at the moment?



Old Dec 16, 2005 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by XB_BOY_2005
i just finished watching a 4 hour documentry at http://prisonplanet.com/ and for those of you that didnt believe that video because of "3rd party quotes" this video dives much deeper than just the attacks, but motives of the goverment to establish a New world order. i highly recommend watching this video.

You know about the New World Order?....


If you guys don't know anything about the NWO, I highly recommend you look into, not only is it scary but sheesh... Its quite crazy.
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Originally Posted by XB_BOY_2005
Originally Posted by djct_watt
Here are some link that debunk the video:
http://ourworld-top.cs.com/mikegriffith1/refute.htm
http://www.rotten.com/library/conspi...iracy_theories
http://www.911-strike.com/debunking.htm

And not all of these are biased, and have more links within the links.

But nobody wants to read what smart people write, they'd rather see a little flash movie by some retard with no education.
Actually one of the links you gave http://www.911-strike.com/debunking.htm supports the video, is debunks the theory that 19 arabs hijacked 4 planes.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame shame shame me can't shame again.

Ooops. . . Cut and paste the wrong link. I have over a dozen sites bookmarked. I did a lot of research on this.

And for the record, the last link wasn't supposed to be there. The flying involved during 9-11 wasn't exactly precision. . . you can tell by the bucking of the wings. The angle at which they hit, the were lucky they didn't miss, they were correcting pretty card. . . I don't remember which flight it was, but it was the plane that came in at an angle.

Trust me, it's not hard to hit a building, and flight sims are plenty good for getting practice.
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 11:26 PM
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http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm

That was the one that I meant to put
Old Dec 17, 2005 | 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Poison
If you trully believe...that 2-4 Arabs took over a plane with box cutter knives your trully a complete moron

SHADOW GOVERNMENT

Theirs more to it then meets the eye, do you really think the Government that we see is th real thing!?!?!? NO!! Its simply a puppet Government,.


DENY IGNORANCE!! IDIOTS!!!
Do you even know what the Shadow Government is? Or do you just like to use that term because it sounds cool and insidious?

Maybe you should look it up, son.

It was not 2-4 Arabs either. There were 5 on each plane, except for the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania, that plane had 4. It's not difficult to beleive that happened at all. Up until now, hijackers NEVER did anything like this. They usually force the pilot to land in some armpit of a country, make demands, and then release the hostages, MAYBE shooting one or two if needed. No one had any reason to try and fight these guys. They were organized and had a plan and followed through with it.

It's not hard to understand. It's people like you who blindly embrace every conspiracy theory that comes along that make the real conspiracies so hard to discern. You're barking up the wrong tree. There are PLENTY of shady things surrounding the 9/11 events waiting to be discussed. Like why did the Feds allow the entire bin Laden family who was in the US to leave immediately following 9/11 instead of questioning them first? Just to name one...
Old Dec 17, 2005 | 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Poison
Originally Posted by XB_BOY_2005
i just finished watching a 4 hour documentry at http://prisonplanet.com/ and for those of you that didnt believe that video because of "3rd party quotes" this video dives much deeper than just the attacks, but motives of the goverment to establish a New world order. i highly recommend watching this video.

You know about the New World Order?....


If you guys don't know anything about the NWO, I highly recommend you look into, not only is it scary but sheesh... Its quite crazy.
I'd love to read your explaination of the NWO. Something tells me it involves pro wrestling....

But seriously. I am curious to hear what you think the NWO is exactly.
Old Dec 17, 2005 | 12:30 AM
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so... its not wrestling....
dang it, just when i thought i knew something
Old Dec 17, 2005 | 01:48 AM
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This video was obviously made by the ignorant for the ignorant, plain and simple. The only people who would beleive something like this are either one of those wacky conspiracy theorists or someone who is highly uneducated or quite simply a gullable idiot who will beleive anything they see or hear. The video footage was obviously doctored by them because I just looked at the video tape copy of the news I made live as it happened and none of the anomolies they showed on this "documentary" were in the actual news broadcast that was on every tv station in the country and probably the world. And the footage I taped from the news is the exact footage they have, but mine isnt poorly doctored up like theirs which is why the video quality on this "documentary" is low because it makes it easier to hide their poor video doctoring. I am a graphic designer/artist and have also done many video editing and beleive me, I can tell if somethings been doctored or not. I know all the techniques and tricks there are to do what they did, and they did it pretty poorly. That black and white picture of the underside of the 767 they claim was the one that crashed into the building was just a poorly doctored up picture of one of the new KC-767A refueling tankers.

The only thing this so called "documentary" is designed to do is satisfy the minds of the ignornant people out there who wanted to hear exactly what this thing says.

Its really quite sad that there are people out there who would make garbage like this and whats even more sad is the large amount of people who buy into this crap. These people probably also beleived that story in the National Inquirer about 15 years ago about the sea monster that swallowed up the sailboat on one of the great lakes and the cheesy photo they had of it too.

And for the record, I am not a Bush supporter, I used to be but after these last couple of years, my faith in him and his administration has completely gone down the drain.
Old Dec 17, 2005 | 03:35 AM
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it happened.
it wasnt planned by the us
the us govt could have done better but oh well it isn't bush's fault. get over it!!!



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