Atheist vs Theist (Debate)
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I know someone who builds houses with habitat for humanity every weekend and I know someone who goes to church every weekend. When your god looks down and sees one on his knees in prayer and one (atheist) helping the least of his people who is he more pleased with? Careful your answer may contradict the bible.
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LOL!!!!!!!!!! He says the bible is not contradictory and then a couple posts later his belief that there is no trinity based on the bible is contradicted by a theist also based on the bible!!!! HOW DO YOU PEOPLE NOT SEE HOW FUNNY THAT IS????
Do you think that all evolutionists (sp?) believe the same as every other evolutionist? Why is that any different than different interpations of the bible? LOL!!!!!!!!!!! You act like there is one idea of evolution. People like you can't even agree on the same idea!
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The bible completely disagrees.
But seriously I make a consious effort to be either at a soup kitchen or with habitat on at least sundays and I've had more christians than I can count (that are in their million dollar central air conditioned churches while I'm with the old and sick) that have never done charity work tell me I'm going to hell for not accepting christ.
But seriously I make a consious effort to be either at a soup kitchen or with habitat on at least sundays and I've had more christians than I can count (that are in their million dollar central air conditioned churches while I'm with the old and sick) that have never done charity work tell me I'm going to hell for not accepting christ.
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One of my Psych teachers read a credible survey to us one time and it went something like this.
10% of christians believe hitler is going to heaven
50% of christians believe clinton is going to heaven
75% for michael jordan
98% for mother teresa
and 98% said they themselves would go to heaven.
Can you believe that? I'm going to try to find that survey.
10% of christians believe hitler is going to heaven
50% of christians believe clinton is going to heaven
75% for michael jordan
98% for mother teresa
and 98% said they themselves would go to heaven.
Can you believe that? I'm going to try to find that survey.
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The middle eastern cultures have relied on an oratory history since the dawn of civilization. The book of Genesis with all of its "begats" was passed from generation to generation for several thousand of years until the invention of the alphabet. This liturgy was passed on without error as a legacy to their forefathers. This is a highly valued personal asset in the middle east even to this day, many of the illiterate people all of the middle east can quote scripture and several hundred poems/songs verbatim from memory. So the fact that the historical Jesus was not written about for several decades would not lend to believe the facts were anything but accurate. At the time of Jesus the Israel religious leaders were the only "literate" people there were. And they were NOT going to write about him at all.( The name Moses was removed from all the Egyptian records on Pharaoh's orders.)
Theology and religion are the only fields that can deal with God and Jesus Christ. You will not go to a theoretical physicist to ask what to do about your neighbor beating his wife and kids. His science teaches him about physics but what have you been taught about abusive people? Why care if not for the fact that all men should behave well, and what is the ideal of that behavior?
If the definition of "good person" can be explained it would probably have something with "right/wrong" and need definition in the context of infallible law/belief. The fact may be that the abusive neighbor was also doing what he beleived was "good" at the time. People that do not have a firm belief in something larger than "self" can not see the value of others.
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Oh... well if C.S. Lewis said that they were incapable of making mistakes then that's good enough for me. (Extreme sarcasm) LOL... trying to say that hearsay is an invalid argument for the bible being inacurate through more hearsay. You guys are awesome.
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I'm not saying that if you don't believe in God, that your not a good person. There are tons of people who don't believe in God, that do a lot of good. Bill Gates has donated BILLIONS of dollars to help in Africa and other underdeveloped areas.
I never said that I dont help in other ways other than to give people a better understanding about God. I helped when Hurricane Charlie devasted parts of Florida. I helped people build their homes again, and donated money to help them. Tons of my friends and family did the same. Do we expect anything from them? No. Am I any better than anyone else for doing that? No. I did what ANYONE in a situation to help, SHOULD do. My dad and other people in my congregation were down in Holmstead Fl, to help after Hurricane Andrew. They were there before Police, and the National Guard were there. My Sister and brother in law live in Mexico, and they give and do whatever they can to help the less fortunate. Don't just assume.
I never said that I dont help in other ways other than to give people a better understanding about God. I helped when Hurricane Charlie devasted parts of Florida. I helped people build their homes again, and donated money to help them. Tons of my friends and family did the same. Do we expect anything from them? No. Am I any better than anyone else for doing that? No. I did what ANYONE in a situation to help, SHOULD do. My dad and other people in my congregation were down in Holmstead Fl, to help after Hurricane Andrew. They were there before Police, and the National Guard were there. My Sister and brother in law live in Mexico, and they give and do whatever they can to help the less fortunate. Don't just assume.
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My point is you said that you did more than I ever could and you challenged someone who has given a LOT of time and money to charity. Answer my question... Will I go to heaven?
(Iv'e also never commited a mortal sin and my credit is above 700)
(Iv'e also never commited a mortal sin and my credit is above 700)
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My point is you said that you did more than I ever could and you challenged someone who has given a LOT of time and money to charity. Answer my question... Will I go to heaven?
(Iv'e also never commited a mortal sin and my credit is above 700)
(Iv'e also never commited a mortal sin and my credit is above 700)
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Ok... this is ridiculous. NO! I AM NOT GOING TO HEAVEN! The bible says I can't deny christ and go to heaven. The bible says god loves everyone yes but only the ones that believein him can chill in heaven. So basically all the people who don't do crap but do believe in christ even mass murderers who repent are better than me. You people are so arrogant.
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Originally Posted by citizen01
Ok... this is ridiculous. NO! I AM NOT GOING TO HEAVEN! The bible says I can't deny christ and go to heaven. The bible says god loves everyone yes but only the ones that believein him can chill in heaven. So basically all the people who don't do crap but do believe in christ even mass murderers who repent are better than me. You people are so arrogant.
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Originally Posted by Skeorx13
Someone mentioned experiments going faster than the speed of light. Well here's a classic example of selective reading on the religious side. You need to understand what you read not just the headlines and jump to conclusions. Faster than light experiments are based around what's called Cherenkov radiation. This is when a photon goes faster than light in a medium. Meaning that the speed of light through a vacuum is the fastest speed achievable. The speed of light in water is not this speed. The speed of light in glass is slower than the speed of light in water which is slower than the speed of light in air which is slower than the speed of light in a vacuum. (notice when you put a straw in a glass of water. See how the straw appears to bend but is actually perfectly straight? This is because of refraction and the speed of the photons of light changing) Cherenkov radiation does NOT occur in a vacuum. NOTHING goes faster than the speed of light in a vacuum. Read your facts before spewing misinterpretations of science.
Much like religious people calling scientific Theories a wild guess. Check the definitions first. A theory is a validated hypothesis that is experimentally reproducible. A guess is something you just throw out of your head that has had no experimentation or little research to validate yet. And if you actually have a REAL concept of how evolution, chemistry, or physics works you would realize that life arising in the universe in the way evolution suggests really isn't that difficult to imagine.
Much like religious people calling scientific Theories a wild guess. Check the definitions first. A theory is a validated hypothesis that is experimentally reproducible. A guess is something you just throw out of your head that has had no experimentation or little research to validate yet. And if you actually have a REAL concept of how evolution, chemistry, or physics works you would realize that life arising in the universe in the way evolution suggests really isn't that difficult to imagine.
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Originally Posted by citizen01
My point is you said that you did more than I ever could and you challenged someone who has given a LOT of time and money to charity. Answer my question... Will I go to heaven?
(Iv'e also never commited a mortal sin and my credit is above 700)
(Iv'e also never commited a mortal sin and my credit is above 700)
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Originally Posted by backseatchris
....faster than light travel does not occur in the vaccuum of regular space.....
Additionally, in a vacuum, subatomic particles seemingly pop into existence out of nothing.
Hmmm…………….
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BTW, my whole point in being here, is to say that after 2000 years, the Bible holds more true today than ever..
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I'm not "shouting from the rooftops" that there is not evidence to prove God and that it is only a leap of faith. It is a leap of faith, but I believe it is at the same time an educated decision based upon evidence.
Please learn the meaning of the word 'evidence' before you claim to have any.
