Do you REALLY know what you're voting for?
The only reason Im voting for Obama is because McCain is wayyyyyyy toooo old. The way I see it, if we have something go down, he will most likly have a heart attack with all of his medical problems, and then we will get the fricken mayor of Alaska as president. I also see that if Obama gets into office then with the extreme conservatives, there will probably be an attempt on Obama, which then means we might get Biden, which is still better than Palin. Although I am 18 I am not brainwashed from the media, I see things as they are. As soon as I saw the pics of all the candidates, I knew that I was gonna vote for Obama. /end rant
My wife has multiple sclerosis. When I met her, she was a normal, vibrant person. In the last 5 years, she's lost the ability to move her legs, lift more than 5 pounds with her arms, sit up straight and even eat without a tube. My private insurance wouldn't cover all the stuff she needed, so she is currently on state medicaid. She can not get medicare because of their asinine rules, if we got divorced, she'd be able to get it (how is that supporting family values?). I'm voting for whoever will support my wife's care, fund stem cell research and make her medication and treatment affordable. yes, I'm voting for Obama. When a family member's health is on the line, things tend to become single issue.
On the plus side, the reason I bought the xB was for the wheelchair lift, otherwise I would never have known what an awesome vehicle it is.
On the plus side, the reason I bought the xB was for the wheelchair lift, otherwise I would never have known what an awesome vehicle it is.
I think we're underestimating young people if we think they're voting for cool rather than issues. That's the same as someone voting for a candidate for religious reasons. The religious South was pro-democrat until Johnson signed the Civil Rights legislation into law.
People vote their beliefs, issues and pocketbook... then cool comes into play.
People vote their beliefs, issues and pocketbook... then cool comes into play.
We are not all going to agree. I can totally understand why vettereddie feels the way he does (I am really sorry about your wife BTW). I am personally against embryonic stem cell research but I am really hoping that this is soon a non-issue because of huge advances in other types of stem cells like from umbillical cords. My point is, even if we disagree on something at least you are voting because of where the candidate stands on the issue and I can repect that. People just need to be informed. A vote is too important to leave it to the "follow the crowd" mentality.
Joined: Mar 2007
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From: Parsippany, NJ
Stem cell research is NOT a 'fading technology'. Embryonic Stem Cell reasearch is. It's the same research, just with stem cell gathered in a less controversial manor.
Regardless, we're finally making big results with it (creation of red blood cells). We should have been at this stage years ago, but with all these restrictions, we're not where we should be.
Regardless, we're finally making big results with it (creation of red blood cells). We should have been at this stage years ago, but with all these restrictions, we're not where we should be.
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 16,638
From: Parsippany, NJ
All i know is that both canidates have been nothing but confusing as f*ck and this whole election year has been nothing but a joke......and now that I may only have 3 months at this job till it may get shut down and let me go Im a lil disapointed in the whole system........
Originally Posted by matt_a
We are not all going to agree. I can totally understand why vettereddie feels the way he does (I am really sorry about your wife BTW). I am personally against embryonic stem cell research but I am really hoping that this is soon a non-issue because of huge advances in other types of stem cells like from umbillical cords. My point is, even if we disagree on something at least you are voting because of where the candidate stands on the issue and I can repect that. People just need to be informed. A vote is too important to leave it to the "follow the crowd" mentality.
Thanks Matt, sorry to bring up the stem cell issue again, I'm glad you can respect difference of opinions. I realize that embryonic is not the end-developmental phase. I've researched it for MS treatment, and because the cells are not your own, i.e. foriegn, treatment is needed the same as for organ transplants to fight rejection. Overall, my wife and I feel that even though treatment is not an ethical issue for us, quality of life wise the additional physical pain and lifetime treatment aren't worth the benefits.
I'm supporting embryonic as a means to an end, not the end treatment. Fully funding it will actually help move the research AWAY from embryonic since a larger cell pool will yield quicker medical advances and hopefully obsolete it as self-cell technologies come online (I saw an interesting one involving fat cells recently, currently on trial in mice for heart repair). NOTHING at the moment has the range, versatility or success rate as embryonic, so they still play a valid research role on things like de-activating cancer triggers in the cells, getting them to grow into the proper cells relevent to their environment, and making delivery systems easier. Along similar veins, some people are against medical expirimentation on animals, but without it medical advances will be at a drastically slower pace, causing much greater and needless suffering to those in need of a medical breakthrough.
BTW, if anyone watches Family Guy, the writers are excellent. Joe Swanson is probably the most realistic portrayal of what it's like to live with a disability, and takes into account the lives of the caregivers as well (his wife Bonnie). For their take on stem cells, watch the episode with Peter having a stroke. He walks in the clinic with half of his face paralyzed, then in the next scene he's completely normal. He asks how long he was in for, and the doc says about 5 minutes. He then looks at the camera and says "Why aren't we funding this".
I'm supporting embryonic as a means to an end, not the end treatment. Fully funding it will actually help move the research AWAY from embryonic since a larger cell pool will yield quicker medical advances and hopefully obsolete it as self-cell technologies come online (I saw an interesting one involving fat cells recently, currently on trial in mice for heart repair). NOTHING at the moment has the range, versatility or success rate as embryonic, so they still play a valid research role on things like de-activating cancer triggers in the cells, getting them to grow into the proper cells relevent to their environment, and making delivery systems easier. Along similar veins, some people are against medical expirimentation on animals, but without it medical advances will be at a drastically slower pace, causing much greater and needless suffering to those in need of a medical breakthrough.
BTW, if anyone watches Family Guy, the writers are excellent. Joe Swanson is probably the most realistic portrayal of what it's like to live with a disability, and takes into account the lives of the caregivers as well (his wife Bonnie). For their take on stem cells, watch the episode with Peter having a stroke. He walks in the clinic with half of his face paralyzed, then in the next scene he's completely normal. He asks how long he was in for, and the doc says about 5 minutes. He then looks at the camera and says "Why aren't we funding this".
Originally Posted by vettereddie
...Along similar veins, some people are against medical expirimentation on animals, but without it medical advances will be at a drastically slower pace, causing much greater and needless suffering to those in need of a medical breakthrough.
I think many younger voters lean liberal because of human rights. We have grown up to treat all people with the same type of respect. The republican party values then become nearly impossible to accept.
For every young voter that votes liberal just because it's "cool", there's a republican voter or three who vote republican because of their faith.
For every young voter that votes liberal just because it's "cool", there's a republican voter or three who vote republican because of their faith.







