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Old Aug 17, 2004 | 03:44 AM
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Hmmm.... I'm in the SE area (Miami), amd I ordered and put down a deposit on the 6th with a promise to get a car or my money back within 3 weeks.. The dealer called me today, and told me that he would know whether he'd have the car for me by this Friday, the 20th, but shouldn't he know before if this is all true? Am I getting swung around here by my dealer, or is all this normal?
Old Aug 21, 2004 | 03:34 PM
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Ok I have a question. I ordered my tC on August 8th. The dealer said that they get an allocation on the 15th. He stated that he knows they would get 15 cars. 10 would already be taken leaving 5 that would go to people who put down depostis (like me). So my question is how long will it take to get those 15 cars to come to port? Whats an average amount of days you think?
I've been on vacation so sorry about the delay in answering. First, there is no way your dealer knows the exact number of cars he is getting before the allocation. It doesn't work like that. Next, when a car is allocated, we are told the date that it will hit the port. It is generally 2 to 3 weeks after its allocated, although it can be less.

I hope you have more information from the dealer by now. The allocation was Monday night and everything should be sorted out by now... unless the Scion manager was on vacation in which case he's still trying to unburry himself from the flood of garbage left for him.
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Originally Posted by asherman
Hmmm.... I'm in the SE area (Miami), amd I ordered and put down a deposit on the 6th with a promise to get a car or my money back within 3 weeks.. The dealer called me today, and told me that he would know whether he'd have the car for me by this Friday, the 20th, but shouldn't he know before if this is all true? Am I getting swung around here by my dealer, or is all this normal?
Again, apologies for the tardy reply. Your dealership is doing someting called "underpromising", which is a good thing. He likely knew by Wednesday, but its always good to hedge by a couple of days to keep yourself safe. Have you heard back from him yet?
Old Aug 21, 2004 | 09:43 PM
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We don't get to choose. We are told what is coming to the region and can tell Toyota what our preference is, but that's it. We can also do "locates", meaning we can see what other dealerships are getting and try to arrange a trade with them.
Which is also a good reason for _buyers_ to do a diligent search of dealers on their own.

I've found some dealers to be less-than-forthcoming about the availability of the desired vehicle if they think that they can talk me into buying a vehicle they already have in stock.

It's a lot easier to go directly to the dealer that has the car you want than it is to get another dealer to trade with them. Your car will also get handled less.

It's too bad that Scion doesn't have an on-line method of searching dealer inventories like Honda has. Honda's system isn't perfect, but it let me find the exact car (actually, three of them!) I was interested in after our local dealer told me "there aren't any in the state". This also told volumes about the honesty of our local dealer!
Old Aug 24, 2004 | 09:40 PM
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Is the practice of requesting what cars you'd like to have common?

I'm up to 3 weeks now on my Flint Mica automatic, (of course that's only one allocation, so it isn't too bad). When I last talked to my salesperson last week after the allocation he told me that "my car wasn't on the allocation" but he "would get my Flint Mica tC, it will just be a little while".

He has never given me any specific timeframe to get it.. and I'm just hoping he's actively trying to get it, not just sitting there and hoping it appears on the next allocation list. He seems like he's on the ball, but who knows..
Old Aug 25, 2004 | 12:22 AM
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The preference request system is standard for Toyota. It isn't perfect, but tis what we have to work with.

Maybe it would help to describe a real world scenerio. This is what I'm going through right now:

I have 11 tCs in the pipeline. Ten of them have specific orders and names assigned to them. The one that is not sold is an automatic in silver. I also have 6 outstanding orders for 5 speeds that are not filled. I've tried calling every dealership I can to swap my one automatic for a 5 speed to fill an order. It isn't happening so I'll have to see what happens on the allocation on the first.

Here's the tricky part. I'll likely only get 4 or 5 tCs on this allocation and probably only one or two of them will be manual transmission. Anyone who orders an automatic has a great chance to get a car quickly, as long as they don't want azure pearl. Those ordering the 5 speeds are a bit hosed. The orders I have are for azure, indigo and black. Those are low production colors so I may or may not get one to fill even a single order.

Now what? Well, as long as I have a 5 speed to trade, I'll likely be able to make a swap to fill an order. Once I trade out the 5 speeds, I'm pretty much done.

I do my best to explain the situation to customers in a respectful manner. I give them as much information as possible so they can make an informed decision. If you are picky, you'll eventually get your car. If you are flexible on color or especially transmission, you'll get it a lot faster.
Old Aug 30, 2004 | 05:07 PM
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Thank you for posting this.

A very great read, and very informational.

Thank you.

Old Aug 30, 2004 | 10:41 PM
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Overall, what is the proportion of cars with side airbags? Sounds like the worst possible combination would be azure manual with side airbags. Good luck to those looking for that.

I placed my order on the 15th, and have learned that my order will be in port on 9/7 (black auto with airbags). However, when I put the deposit down, I didn't intend to commit to a color--the manager told me he didn't need to know yet, and that he'd let me know what their allocation was and then I could decide. I probably would have settled on the black, but I'm wondering, if I decide to bypass this one and perhaps wait for another allocation for a flint mica auto with airbags, how hard is it likely to be to get one with airbags? I know they had a couple of flint mica autos without airbags left over when they first notified me, but I'm pretty committed to the side curtain airbags. I'm just wondering if I do try to change it, if I'm setting myself up for an insane wait. The dealership is a giant Toyota dealership--by far the largest in this area, if that makes any difference.
Old Nov 16, 2004 | 08:47 PM
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I ordered my Indigo Ink 5spd a week ago, and we're not expecting it till january or february.... 3 months!! yikes!

I wish it were a tad bit faster... i'm gettin antsy
Old Nov 17, 2004 | 12:31 AM
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Hahaha, sounds like I'm not going to get my Azure Pearl 5-speed with SAB in 3 weeks like I was told. *sigh* Oh well, I'm patient. That Azure Pearl is the BOMB, I don't want to flex on that or the manual gearbox. Tired of driving slushboxes.
Old Dec 17, 2004 | 05:39 AM
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thank you cliffy1!! you rock!!!
I call to ask if he could get a xb blue for me and get it to seattle. he said that he could not do it but looked in the computer and gave me the names of the dealers who had xb in blue and is a auto(it's for mum) could not get one from them but will look some more or just order one. if i was a day or two away i would have fly out and pick it up from cliffy!!!
Old Feb 14, 2005 | 03:04 PM
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Just thought I'd bump this to the top. I've had a few questions about this recently.
Old Jul 26, 2005 | 04:15 AM
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Bump...for very useful information that I found hard to find! Thx cliffy.
Old Sep 4, 2005 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by cliffy1
Twice a month, we get an allocation of cars. Based on the size of the dealership, we are given a certain number of cars. We don't know ahead of time exactly how many we will get each time. The allocations are generally on the 1st and 16th of the month, depending on where weekends fall. Allocations are never cut on Saturday or Sunday.

Prior to the allocation coming out, each dealership can tell Toyota their preferences. Its called a preference bank. We can tell Toyota that as long as we are getting a bunch of cars, there are certain configurations we would prefer. The higher up on the preference list we put a car, the more likely we are to get it. We are NEVER guaranteed to get a car on our preference list.

The morning after the allocation, we are sent a fax of the cars we got. We are told the color, equipment and transmission, as well as the day the car is due into the port. From that list, we assign the sold units to the customers from whom we have orders. Those sold units are locked in stone. Two days later, the new allocation hits our communication system called Dealer Daily. At that point, we can see what other dealerships received, except for the units they put in reserve for sold units.

This is when we start calling other dealerships to make trades. If I have an order for a car that I didn't get, I might be able to find a dealership who did get it and is willing to swap. This is a time consuming process and relies on personal relationships with other inventory managers. Its very hit or miss.

So what can a consumer do to increase his/her chances of getting a car sooner, rather than later? Find a dealership who is willing to discuss this openly with you. If asked by a potential customer, I will show them a list of my orders, along with my list of incoming units. I will also add a car to my preference bank while they sit in my office. Most dealers are not set up to allow this, but some are. If your dealer can't do this, just make sure to follow up with the sales manager just after the 1st or 16th to see how the allocation went. Ordering just prior to the allocations also helps because it keeps everything fresh in mind.

Another thing you can do is have more than one color request. If you must have white, you'll get it eventually. If you tell the dealership you'll take white, black or black cherry, you've nearly tripled your chances of getting the car sooner. To put this into hard numbers, here in the CAT region, there are 17 white manual transmission tCs coming without side air bags. There are 11 in black and 17 in BCP. There are also 32 flint, 36 silver and 18 indigo. Obviously, if you want flint or silver, you have a better shot than if you stick with white.

I would like to get an automatic xb, but undecided on color.
what is hardest and easiest to get for colors on a scion xb with automatic transmission?
I was thinking of black cherry or blue or camouflage, are any of those colors hard or easy to get?
I live in Ohio.
Old Sep 5, 2005 | 03:32 PM
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Right now, they are all pretty tight. The September order is fairly small for the xB and demand is extremely high due to the current gas prices. For the Central Atlantic Region, there are only 222 xBs coming with the automatic transmission. Of those, 19% are white, 14% thunder cloud, 19% black, 18% black cherry, 13% camo and 18% blue onyx.

By having three acceptible colors, you make things much easier on everybody. As long as all three of these really ore OK with you, you shouldn't have any problem finding one.
Old Nov 6, 2005 | 02:03 AM
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Man 'O Man, never knew the order process was that complicated. The whole time I thought you just placed an order and it shows up in a few weeks.

I guess I just got lucky, my order was very uneventfull (a good thing).

I'm in NJ, ordered a Flint Mica, 5-spd, Ped-spoiler from Julio Izquierdo at East Coast Scion-Toyota. Julio said, 2-4 weeks. I walked in cash in hand, and didn't want to pay a downpayment for the order, they were cool with that. There was no discussion about alternate colors and whatnot, he just said "I'll pull some strings, and if you don't buy it, I can sell it quick anyway."

I had a VIN # in 10 days, car in 13.

So if you need a Scion tC in NJ, CALL JULIO!
Old Mar 25, 2006 | 05:31 AM
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times are changing, so does the allocation process and depending on what zone/region you are in.. Since This was posted in 2004 and its now 2006 there are ways to get information prior 2 an allocation!
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