what is so wrong with pot anyway ? not saying i smoke but i still dont see what is so terrible about it. this world will always have dumb a$s people that are going to misuse things to harm themselves or others. those are the people that should be sitting in jail. not the kid who was going to his girlfriends house gets pulled over cop smells weed and then arrests him. thats bs. marijuana is a plant and it grows from the ground and it is smoked right from the plant. the effects are it gets you high but if you smoke a lot than it does not make you all retarded and stupid like most people think. that is just a stereotype that people give it. its all in how you take it, weed is natural and it was used traditionally in our country over a hundred years ago.

 

I really do see your point. I was just trying to show how the law sees it and how its very unlikely that it will become legal.

Now personally, I think it shouldn't be legal. I'm not going to go into the reasons why, but everyone is entitiled to their own opinion

 

Oh my Lord.. Here we go.. OK I really don't want to spend 30 Min's typing up how so VERY wrong that you are Murbyrne, I will say that the REASON its scheduled as a Class 1 is this:

http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5049

http://www.csdp.org/news/news/nixon.htm

I urge you to Educate yourself my friend. Think about this the next time you're enjoying a cold beer.

 

It doesnt matter, he's stating his opinion saying that it shouldnt be legal and i agree.

 

By the way.. are you really that surprised at the number of people that support legalization and taxation of marijuana? I'm not at all, this is my point in fact. America is Ready and Willing. NOW is the time. We, America, are founded on our freedoms. We are closer then we have ever been before on creating REAL Change to OUR Government policies. THIS MUST BE ONE OF THEM, WE VERY MUCH NEED IT. America needed to Learn their lesson from Alcohol Prohibition in the 1930s with a similar economic setting. How do you explain away the success of repealing prohibition MURBYRNE?

But of course you are entitled to your opinions against legalization. But, I Do ask that you back up opinions with some sort of reasoning behind it. Explain why you feel this way to add some sort of validity to your opinion... or none at all..

 

Bluntly, here's your issue.

1) There isn't enough data to justify decriminalizing it or advocating its use in any way.

2) The medical angle is moot, since
(a. see #1).
(b. We have better painkillers, anti-cancer, whatever, anyway.)

3) It's status as a controlled substance makes it extremely difficult to do research with it.... Leading to circular logic... It's illegal because of no data, no data because it's illegal.

4) Political opponents on the left and the right.
The right has their "religious and moral" reasons.
The left sees no way to control it for their selfish interests.

5) There's no funding for research data, since companies can't patent a ubiquitous substance, and the government has it's reasons.

6) No one wants to stand up and be the outspoken leader for the pot movement, since they would be silenced.

7) No one wants to front the money to make a political action committe, to hire lobbyists and get things done the Washington way.

The Drug Cartels like it how it is... 100% control, local multi-level marketing that takes care of itself, and nearly pure-profit scenarios. If it's legitimized, they get screwed. Expect mafioso-style organized crime against legislation.


etc. etc.

 

1st of all, I never said those were the REASONS, I defined Scheduel I. Its classified as Scheduel I, maybe not for those reasons, but never the less, its still classified as that. You think they will legalize a scheduel I? No

2nd, as you can see, I'm 18. I dont drink.....

I dont want to start a flame war or anything, I'm just stating the facts, so don't go all hostile on me like that.

Yes, I really am surprised by the number of people who go for it. I have never been exposed to it, none of my friends do it, so its not that crazy to see that I'm surprised. Also, "WE VERY MUCH NEED IT?" Im not even going to comment on that one.

At this point, you are thinking of the Economy. I'm againsnt legalization of the pot and if I was alive in the 1930s, I would be againsnt legalization of alcohol. I'm morally against what Alcohol and weed do to society.

 

Good, Thanks for supporting your opinons.

Lets keep it flowing people

 

.. Not that I , or a Huge portion of America agrees with any of them

No but seriously heres where the country sits on the subject. This is the most recent poll I know of.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...d_be_legalized

The run down: 40% YES

46% NO

14% Undecided

That 14% is important. And in this social climate and economy, I wouldn't be surprised to see the majority of that 14% migrate over to the YES side of the vote, once they weigh the pros and cons, and see that the Pros VASTLY outweigh the Cons.

FDR set a great example to follow with the 21st Amendment.

Any way you look at it, Its very close, and the country is divided.

 

Yea, no problem. Everyone has different opinions

 

(FINALLY A GOOD FUKIN' TOPIC ON THE GENERAL BOARD!)

Sorry. I was just waiting for it. I'm not laughing at you. I'm just imagining John Lithgow screaming "Ariel have you been smoking those cursed marijuana cigarattes with those boys!?!?" I know you're heartbroken, but we don't all live in the town of Footloose where drugs and dancing are banned. People don't necessarily want to be free to drink or smoke, they want to be free to make their own choices and mistakes. The last thing someone wants is for you or anyone else to decide FOR them what is good for them or society. Oh and prohibition promotes professional crime waves. The tighter the regulations the bloodier the landscape. Go watch 'The Untouchables' for a decent, albeit broad and sensationalized, overview of how morality swept through major American cities like Chicago, as a result of Prohibition. But you're only 18! Think of how great the road ahead of you is! Free to make your OWN choices, f^ck up, and learn from them! Ah, life is beautiful isn't it?

To the general thread, here are some simple fun facts to put in your pipe and toke up (That chart posted on page 2 is already 10 years old in some statistics. Prescription drug use alone has doubled if not tripled or quadrupled since then):


Alcohol related deaths each year: 75,000
Tobacco related deaths each year: 625,000
Prescription Drug related deaths each year: 100,000

Documented cases of Marijuana related deaths each year: 0*


The bottom line is that states all over the country are either beginning to decriminalize small amounts or fully legalize medicinal use altogether. Yet the DEA can still show up at any time at most medical marijuana clinics, toss the cancer survivors up against the wall, slap the cuffs on the AIDS patients and fully raid the joint. Thanks to President Barry and AG Holder for reversing this policy. Let's see if it holds. Only time will tell. Leave it up to the State legislatures and prevent the FED from giving a rats A$$ about what you do in your living room.


Now let me just say something about this. For that data that amounts to what you call a 'small mountain', marijuana research has been going on for DECADES longer than most new hardline opiates have even been in existence. Opiates are babies compared to the age of weed which is almost as old as recorded history. And pardon me for being so blunt (pun) but give me a break, its, or at least I though it was, common knowledge that opiates are among the highest, quickest and most dangerous of all drugs when it comes to risk of developing a dependency even in clinically administered dosages. Pot has been exhaustively researched by everyone from the pharmaceutical companies to the US Government to the US Army for years. What have they found? Its a threat. Not to kids, not to neighborhoods, but to one thing...PROFITS

The pharmaceutical companies had one hell of a pickle. "How in the hell are we supposed to market a profitable and competitive product against a product that combats nausea, joint pain, muscle pain, asthma, weight loss, glaucoma, and maybe even cancer, with little to no side effects? And did we mention that people can grow the sh*t in their backyard? For free!?!?" Easy they went to the Federal Government, dominated by two political parties both awash in the millions upon millions of dollars its parties receive in 'campaign contributions' (doublespeak for bribes) every year from the Pharmaceutical Industry. And by now the numbers must be getting near the billions. It was like going to meet the Godfather and asking him for 'a favor'. Then boom, 1971. Its schedule one. For some nice gov't speak, hear, and see no evil hypocrisy, read up on the 1972 National Commission on Marijuana and Drug Abuse. Then read what its findings (which were given to Dick Nixon to review, then was buried and suppressed) really discovered. LOL Speaking as a former user I can laugh about the absurdity of it. I mean they threw it into the same sh*thouse as PCP, GHB, Heroin and Crack for Christ's sake. Its nothing to even scratch your head about, its just funny. You remember watching Sesame Street when they showed you a series of pictures and then asked 'Which one of these things doesn't belong here?"

If you can get past the fact that the United States government will go to no greater lengths, tell no bigger lies, and take no more extreme of a measure than those that it does to protect one of its own investments, then you'll understand why not only POT is listed as schedule 1, but why it HAD to be there. And it may take a few more years of exposure to the cynicysm of Corporate America and how Washington acts as Wall Street's muscle, but people will start to get it. For example, remember everyone's favorite senile SECDEF, Don Rumsfeld? Former CEO for 8 years of G. D. Searle & Co. (Celebrex, Ambien...etc.) Now part of Phizer. Its not an accident, nor a coincidence.

In the words of Bill Maher, "Xanax doesn't want to go up against Marijuana. It will lose."
And again, fantastic topic. /applauds.


*Pints of ice cream consumed as a result: unknown.

 

people are just so chill when blazed. i bet violence would go down.

 

Well said Prodigy3000, Well said indeed sir.

 

my point exatctly....

Another point would be to think of food sales going up! lol

 

Food Sales, Entertainment, Textile industries, Organic Bio Fuels, Many Many commercial segments would be positively influenced by legalization, regulation, and taxation of marijuana.

 

instead of ____ing away my tax $ for nonsense stimulus(actually congressmen earmarks) they can ____ away $ from tax on weed, i think good idea

 

I'm not for the legalization of ALL drugs because some are just inherently evil. But lets put it in context with other legal substances. What's the one phrase a 17 year old kid will NEVER hear from a drug dealer? "What's up boss, I got two bags for you, thirty bucks. Alright...But before I take that cash, I'm gonna have to see some ID." Ever heard of that happening? Me either.

With beer, liquor, and cigarettes, its a different story. The point is, if you put Marijuana or other drugs in a market where people have to present legal identification and proof of age, the statistics for those drugs and the teenagers abusing them would literally fall off a cliff.

 

I dont think the statistics would cease to exist, because teenagers still find ways to buy alcohol and cigarettes, and they have gotten DAMN good at making fake ID's these days, but I do think there would be a decline in use among minors!

 

I didn't say they would disappear. But they wouldn't just reduce, they would reduce drastically.

 

I dont think they will reduce as much as you think they will though.... just my $0.02!

And HOLA fellow Floridian! :D