Presidential Debate, Obama, Clinton, BUSH, cmon in!!
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I'm not totally decided but as of right now Ron Paul has my vote. Anyone who wants to get rid of the IRS has my full backing. The IRS is the 2nd biggest scam in American government next to our welfare system! I’m pretty middle of the road on my political views just a little more conservative than liberal. I’m defiantly against any kind of socialistic type of government. Some people say we need the illegal immigrants here to do the work the citizens won’t do, well if the government stopped paying the people who are qualified for these jobs more to sit at home and do nothing then they would go get one of these jobs! I started at the bottom and worked my way up. I didn’t have any better opportunities than anyone. You just have to be willing to work and not be lazy! 
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Originally Posted by jsa3mm
You do know Ron Paul was set to run third party years ago, right? If he were to run third party would he have your vote, or can you not overlook his christian faith?
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Bush is christian and I haven't noticed much that has changed due to his christian background..
Youre joking, right?
This to be the first time in modern American history that a presidents religion, in this case his Christian fundamentalism, has become a decisive factor in his foreign and domestic policies. Its a factor that has been underreported, to say the least, and that begs for press attention. It explains his unconditional support for Israel
The same time Bush decided to veto the stem cell bill, Israeli bombs were taking the lives of hundreds of innocent Lebanese civilians, many of them children, with the tacit approval of the US.
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Originally Posted by HeathenBrewing
Bush decided to veto the stem cell bill, Israeli bombs were taking the lives of hundreds of innocent Lebanese civilians, many of them children, with the tacit approval of the US.
Example: There are other ways of furthering science without the use of stem cells. I don't have a problem with using them if they are taken from non aborted children. I am against abortion, but I am also a man - I have no say so; therefore, I think women should have the right to choose.
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Originally Posted by jsa3mm
Originally Posted by HeathenBrewing
Bush decided to veto the stem cell bill, Israeli bombs were taking the lives of hundreds of innocent Lebanese civilians, many of them children, with the tacit approval of the US.
Example: There are other ways of furthering science without the use of stem cells. I don't have a problem with using them if they are taken from non aborted children. I am against abortion, but I am also a man - I have no say so; therefore, I think women should have the right to choose.
Apparently, the god Bush worships places more value in the life of an innocent American child than that of an innocent Lebanese child.
Either killing children is wrong, or its not.
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Originally Posted by jsa3mm
I understand what you are saying...every child is an equal child. How is killing a child through abortion any better or worse than killing a child with bombs? It isn't! I agree with you.
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not sure if this has been posted already, but the KKK is backing Obama!!! Craziness
not sure if this has been posted already, but the KKK is backing Obama!!! Craziness
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Interesting move by the KKK. Endorsing a black candidate? Seems like reverse-psychology to me. I think they've been watching too much South Park...
Jimbo: I thnk we should switch sides!
Jimbo: Look, we have to accept the fact that most people in the world hate us, right?
KKK Members: Yeah, m-hm.
Jimbo: So, whatever side we're on is the side that's gonna lose, right?
KKK Members: Right, yeah.
Jimbo: So why don't we all say that we want the flag changed. That way, most folks'll vote to keep it the way it is.
KKK Leader: That's a great idea, brother!
Jimbo: I thnk we should switch sides!
Jimbo: Look, we have to accept the fact that most people in the world hate us, right?
KKK Members: Yeah, m-hm.
Jimbo: So, whatever side we're on is the side that's gonna lose, right?
KKK Members: Right, yeah.
Jimbo: So why don't we all say that we want the flag changed. That way, most folks'll vote to keep it the way it is.
KKK Leader: That's a great idea, brother!
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I understand and agree with many of the points made in this thread(had no idea it would get this big in 1 day lol)....
but all i really have left to say above ALL other things...
How can you elect a man that does not place his hand on his heart during the Star Spangled Banner? Disgusting.
AND on top of that, Obama approves for Illegal Immigrants to get drivers licenses, are you friggin sh*ittin me?? Insurance^^^^^^^^
P.S. Hillary has clearly stated troops will be coming home as soon as she is in office, and no matter who the hell wins, those soldiers better be coming home real damn soon, I know too many families living in fear every day about their sons over in Iraq. Enough is enough.]
Just like many others, Im sick of watching the news and seeing Iraqis throwin their friggin shoes at us and telling us to get out of their country, after we saved their ___ from wrongful persecution from Saddam that was inevitably cominng their way anyway.
and s*hit, we should have never even touched iraq anyway
Bush going after Saddam was just him making up for what Daddy couldnt do.
I swear this country is so screwed up at times.
Like you mean to tell me that in 4 years they couldnt find Osama, but they magically found Saddam in under a year!!!?? How hard is it to find a 6 ft 3 inch militant on a suppossed dialysis machine?? Give me a break.
and the whole WMD thing was just an excuse to enter Iraq, hence,,,,DUuuuuurr we never found any WMD...AHH DURRRRRR
/end rant
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but all i really have left to say above ALL other things...
How can you elect a man that does not place his hand on his heart during the Star Spangled Banner? Disgusting.
AND on top of that, Obama approves for Illegal Immigrants to get drivers licenses, are you friggin sh*ittin me?? Insurance^^^^^^^^
P.S. Hillary has clearly stated troops will be coming home as soon as she is in office, and no matter who the hell wins, those soldiers better be coming home real damn soon, I know too many families living in fear every day about their sons over in Iraq. Enough is enough.]
Just like many others, Im sick of watching the news and seeing Iraqis throwin their friggin shoes at us and telling us to get out of their country, after we saved their ___ from wrongful persecution from Saddam that was inevitably cominng their way anyway.
and s*hit, we should have never even touched iraq anyway
Bush going after Saddam was just him making up for what Daddy couldnt do.
I swear this country is so screwed up at times.
Like you mean to tell me that in 4 years they couldnt find Osama, but they magically found Saddam in under a year!!!?? How hard is it to find a 6 ft 3 inch militant on a suppossed dialysis machine?? Give me a break.
and the whole WMD thing was just an excuse to enter Iraq, hence,,,,DUuuuuurr we never found any WMD...AHH DURRRRRR
/end rant
sorry
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AND on top of that, Obama approves for Illegal Immigrants to get drivers licenses, are you friggin sh*ittin me?? Insurance^^^^^^^^
From the quoted comment, the problem isn't the illegals... it's the insurance. Insurance is mostly BS anyway, but it keeps going up regardless of what happens. Healthcare costs? Rising, and not because of illegals. Certain people are getting rich. Look at the hassle of getting drugs approved that can help people on deaths doorstep. Watch how oil companies are posting record earnings, but the price of gas keeps going up. Look at the price of dental care! AMERICANS are GOING TO MEXICO for affordable dental work. We've allowed these... people/politicians... to policy us into the ground.
We hand out citizenships to people from other countries, and at the first sign of trouble, they bail out and leave America to flounder. WTF? The illegals come here looking to work for a living, ready to join the military, ready to do whatever for a better life. It's not even about color, race, or religion. It's about America, and keeping it strong in a rapidly growing global market. I'll take a damn spaceman from Mars if he wants to help make America stronger.
As far as the election goes, I don't know which democrat to vote for, Clinton, Obama, or McCain. It's a crying shame that the candidates I agree with the most are either hardcore thumpers, not likely to be nominated, or both.
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I understand your pionts but,
back when the illegals were in the fields, the owners of those fields were breaking the law by hiring these illegals. If it wasnt for everyone being greedy and getting richer off cheap labor, then illegal wouldnt have had any place here anyway.
of course insurance is bs, but look up the statistics about all the illegal immigrants getting medical attention in hospitals across america, and NO im not saying they should be refused, that would be ludicrous, but its coming out of your taxes man. You are paying for them.
Im not even going to get into race or ethnicity here, but how many illegals come over here and start mobs and gangs and do nothin but cause trouble and mooch off of honest americans hard working earnings?
Basically the moral of the story for me is:
If you want to live in America, be treated like an American, and have all the rights of an American......then you must learn English fluently, and apply for citizenship.....its that simple.
When my ancestors came from Italy to America a long time ago they worked hard to study English, and picked up phrases and words on what anyone said, and they legally and successfully became US citizens. and this goes for alot of other immigrants during those times also. They were driven to live a better life and to be Americans.
If I would want to go to another country it would be expected of me to learn their language and apply for citizenship, why not in the USA?
Now we are giving todays illegals a free ticket out of everything.
back when the illegals were in the fields, the owners of those fields were breaking the law by hiring these illegals. If it wasnt for everyone being greedy and getting richer off cheap labor, then illegal wouldnt have had any place here anyway.
of course insurance is bs, but look up the statistics about all the illegal immigrants getting medical attention in hospitals across america, and NO im not saying they should be refused, that would be ludicrous, but its coming out of your taxes man. You are paying for them.
Im not even going to get into race or ethnicity here, but how many illegals come over here and start mobs and gangs and do nothin but cause trouble and mooch off of honest americans hard working earnings?
Basically the moral of the story for me is:
If you want to live in America, be treated like an American, and have all the rights of an American......then you must learn English fluently, and apply for citizenship.....its that simple.
When my ancestors came from Italy to America a long time ago they worked hard to study English, and picked up phrases and words on what anyone said, and they legally and successfully became US citizens. and this goes for alot of other immigrants during those times also. They were driven to live a better life and to be Americans.
If I would want to go to another country it would be expected of me to learn their language and apply for citizenship, why not in the USA?
Now we are giving todays illegals a free ticket out of everything.
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This kills me bro. Illegals are like the new redheaded stepchildren. Back when they were in the fields and the price of grapefruits were low, noone had a problem with them. Now that they want a piece of the pie people are screaming, but it's not the illegals. It's the system.
BULLSH&#!! I have never agreed with it and I think most of the people you ask would agree. The minority rules this country. People in this country are too PC and are too worried about hurting somebody’s feelings. I have no problem with immigrants but do it the right way, go thru the proper channels and make it legal. If I have to pay the ridiculous taxes in this country (a whole other can of worms) everyone should. When I filed my taxes this week I received an email confirming that they received them it was in English and Spanish, this is bullsh&%! If you can file taxes in this country you should be able to read and write in English!
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AND on top of that, Obama approves for Illegal Immigrants to get drivers licenses, are you friggin sh*ittin me?? Insurance^^^^^^^^
BULLSH&#!! I have never agreed with it and I think most of the people you ask would agree. The minority rules this country. People in this country are too PC and are too worried about hurting somebody’s feelings. I have no problem with immigrants but do it the right way, go thru the proper channels and make it legal. If I have to pay the ridiculous taxes in this country (a whole other can of worms) everyone should. When I filed my taxes this week I received an email confirming that they received them it was in English and Spanish, this is bullsh&%! If you can file taxes in this country you should be able to read and write in English!
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Whoa! What a year this has been. And what achievements we have had. If I may quote Trotsky of all people, this Revolution is permanent. It will not end at the Republican convention. It will not end in November. It will not end until we have won the great battle on which we have embarked. Not because of me, but because of you. Millions of Americans -- and friends in many other countries -- have dedicated themselves to the principles of liberty: to free enterprise, limited government, sound money, no income tax, and peace. We will not falter so long as there is one restriction on our persons, our property, our civil liberties. How much I owe you. I can never possibly repay your generous donations, hard work, whole-hearted dedication and love of freedom. How blessed I am to be associated with you. Carol, of course, sends her love as well.
Let me tell you my thoughts. With Romney gone, the chances of a brokered convention are nearly zero. But that does not affect my determination to fight on, in every caucus and primary remaining, and at the convention for our ideas, with just as many delegates as I can get. But with so many primaries and caucuses now over, we do not now need so big a national campaign staff, and so I am making it leaner and tighter. Of course, I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican party, so there will be no third party run. I do not denigrate third parties -- just the opposite, and I have long worked to remove the ballot-access restrictions on them. But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican.
I also have another priority. I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down. And I have another battle I must face here as well. If I were to lose the primary for my congressional seat, all our opponents would react with glee, and pretend it was a rejection of our ideas. I cannot and will not let that happen.
In the presidential race and the congressional race, I need your support, as always. And I have plans to continue fighting for our ideas in politics and education that I will share with you when I can, for I will need you at my side. In the meantime, onward and upward! The neocons, the warmongers, the socialists, the advocates of inflation will be hearing much from you and me.
Sincerely,
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Let me tell you my thoughts. With Romney gone, the chances of a brokered convention are nearly zero. But that does not affect my determination to fight on, in every caucus and primary remaining, and at the convention for our ideas, with just as many delegates as I can get. But with so many primaries and caucuses now over, we do not now need so big a national campaign staff, and so I am making it leaner and tighter. Of course, I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican party, so there will be no third party run. I do not denigrate third parties -- just the opposite, and I have long worked to remove the ballot-access restrictions on them. But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican.
I also have another priority. I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down. And I have another battle I must face here as well. If I were to lose the primary for my congressional seat, all our opponents would react with glee, and pretend it was a rejection of our ideas. I cannot and will not let that happen.
In the presidential race and the congressional race, I need your support, as always. And I have plans to continue fighting for our ideas in politics and education that I will share with you when I can, for I will need you at my side. In the meantime, onward and upward! The neocons, the warmongers, the socialists, the advocates of inflation will be hearing much from you and me.
Sincerely,
Ron
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Originally Posted by HeathenBrewing
Apparently, the god Bush worships places more value in the life of an innocent American child than that of an innocent Lebanese child.
I'm glad someone else noticed this too. Thanks.
Originally Posted by tC_2NeR
If I would want to go to another country it would be expected of me to learn their language and apply for citizenship, why not in the USA?
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Lets leave immigration to another thread and get back to talkin' sh*t about the candidates, mkay?
Hillary?
Shes tried playing the "experience" card, to no avail.
What experience? Being the wife of a President does not qualify her for the Oval Office any more than being the wife of a doctor qualifies her to take out my appendix.
Hillary has only ever held one elected office, because her competitor for that seat conveniently died.
Experience?
That sais, Ive finally found some time to do some reading. Paul is looking more and more like my man. Although I would love to see the "face" of "white America" if Obama wins.
ABC CAUGHT censoring Ron Paul support :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMIm8...eature=related
This "business as usual" sh*t.....Im tired of it. The scripted "debates", the smear campaigns....all of it. Time is right to shake the foundations of this country.
Hillary?
Shes tried playing the "experience" card, to no avail.
What experience? Being the wife of a President does not qualify her for the Oval Office any more than being the wife of a doctor qualifies her to take out my appendix.
Hillary has only ever held one elected office, because her competitor for that seat conveniently died.
Experience?
That sais, Ive finally found some time to do some reading. Paul is looking more and more like my man. Although I would love to see the "face" of "white America" if Obama wins.
ABC CAUGHT censoring Ron Paul support :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMIm8...eature=related
This "business as usual" sh*t.....Im tired of it. The scripted "debates", the smear campaigns....all of it. Time is right to shake the foundations of this country.
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Originally Posted by tC_2NeR
.....How can you elect a man that does not place his hand on his heart during the Star Spangled Banner? Disgusting......
Does it really have any relevance to the issues? The economy, the war, foreign policy....those are issues that MUST be addressed, but wear you put your hand during a song.....really now, who cares?
If you want to be technical, no one was correctly "worshipping" the flag since according to the flag code:
(b) Conduct During Playing.— During a rendition of the national anthem—
(1) when the flag is displayed—
(A) all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart; (B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...1----000-.html
if you look at the vifeo, none of the candidates are looking at the flag, and Hillary is looking at something different than Obama. Additionally, he admitted that not doing so was a mistake, and hasnt done it since. At least he owned up to his error-whereas MOST other politicians dont.