Oh goody, another political discussion. Once again, I'll put up this link:

http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm

It has voting records and statements be every major candidate borken down by major issue, i.e. immigration, the war, abortion / women's rights, etc.

Also check this out, factcheck takes the candidate's statements to see if they are true or not:

http://www.factcheck.org/

Personally, I think the candidates are shaping up well, if Obama wins the Dem primary I'll have a tough decision. my wife has multiple sclerosis, and the best chance for a cure is through stem cell research, so any candidate against that can pack sand. McCain is against Roe v Wade but does support expanding stem cell funding, Obama is pro-choice across the board.

The fact that McCain ____es off Rush Limbough, Anne Coltier and other right wing nuts can only be a good thing in my opinion. He also seems to have a realistic viewpoint, as opposed to the idealystic one of the current administration. He's the only candidate that didn't pander to the auto labor unions in Michigan that are bleeding the big three dry, and had the ***** to say that there will be jobs returning, but not the same ones. He has a realistic view of Iraq, no matter who is in office, we'll not be out in 60 days like Billary promises. If we leave, civil war erupts; why should the Iraqi civilian population suffer for us toppling their dicatator and leaving a huge power vacuum? Hopefully they do the smart thing and seperate the country into provinces similar to Germany after WWII, not an ideal solution but it will keep people from killing each other and hopefully get us out sooner.

I just wish he'd stop being a wuss and stand up to the evangelicals, shouting "Yes, I believe in evolution, and dinasaurs, and the big bang, and things grounded in actual science". This is not an attack on religion, they co-exist quite well, but to take a document written thousands of years ago by man and subsequently translated by people trying to maintain political power at the time as the true word of god is fallacy. It's not like if he ____es them off they'll vote democrat, the sheeple will always vote the party line, no matter who the candidate is.

Obama sounds the best, but he will need to provide an actual plan for his "change" before getting my vote. Anyone can make promises, I want to see what his answers are. I'm historically Democrat, made the mistake of voting Nader in 2000 to try and get 5% for a third party at the cost of Bush getting in for 8 friggin years, and am undecided today.

Hillary, who's husband brought us NAFTA and wants to make government run healthcare, will NEVER get my vote. My wife is disabled to the point where she can't even feed herself, I pay into social security but somehow she is not elidgeable for ANY federal healthcare funding. All of her coverage is currently being provided through state Medicaid. If we socialize medicine at the federal level, people will litterally die waiting for coverage. I'd love to see the government mandate all insurance companies go non-profit with government oversight to allow what we pay into it go to our healthcare and not their shareholder's pockets, but we'll need a candidate who doesn't have big pharma and insurance funding their campaign first.

 

Here is the biggest problem-they are all master debaters (yeah, I meant it like that) but to the point, they will say what they think people want to hear and a lot of people buy into the crap that spews forth from their mouth.

I personally think Bush ruined a lot of potential we had after Bill Clinton got the economy and relations (with other countries I mean) straightened out.

Obama talks well and he is a change so people will think about him. Hillary will capture votes from people wanting change because she is a woman and people just plain want things different. These two will also fail because the same redneck, warmonger idiots that thought Bush' go to war plan makes us strong and supported him will oppose these two-and there are a lot of these people out there.

Being on a high MPG car site-this is probably not our take as much-we don't have to protect the oil for our 3/4 ton trucks that get 3 miles per gallon and the atvs that get trailered all over by them.

Even when it comes down to the issues, they promise this and that but it still take a cabinet, panel and the government to change things along with the president so a president could end up with an opposing gov't and they could try to get things passed (making themselves look like heroes) and yet the things don't pass (like that wasn't there plan) and people stare at the huge amount of people that make up 'this' gov't opposition and blame them even though our fine president is trying to make their promises come to pass.

It's going to take a well mannered, stable president and a great cabinet to make any changes that matter over the next 4 years. I don't think Hilary is stable or trustworthy and I don't think Obama will come across as anything but a slick operator and people won't trust him either.

Just my 2 cents

 

To both of the above posters -

Intelligent, articulate opinions!

 

To add a little levity to the situation, remember the president has no power to change the law, and other than veto really only gets to decide where the library gets built and where the bombs drop.

If you think your job is bad, I work for the Navy, so Bush is my boss. I do not get to write his performance review

What I'd like to see is a president who can actually go across party lines and put the best person for the job in each cabinet position, be they republican, democrat or independant. WTF was Colin Powell not secretary of defense in 2000? He's the only one in the cabinet who had ever even been in the military.

 

I'm going to quickly interject here:

Why does everyone on this site think Obama is Muslim?
It shouldn't matter if he is or isn't, but look it up. He's not.

Ok i'm done.

 

Not everyone does.

But people get their information from Big Media, and Big Media is there for titilation, not information.

 

I'm still undecided. Every politican will say what they think will get them elected. (I know I'm not the first to say this.) I've watched a couple democratic debates, I have read some of John Mc Cain's books (I'm a book worm, sorry)... I'd say that I'm more of a democrat than a republican... BUT I would almost put money on John Mc Cain winning the presidency if either Barack or Hillary won the nomination. Hate to say it, BUT I don't think that we (as in Americans) want too much of a change. If we elected either Democratic hopeful we would have a either the first woman or the first African-American president and I just really don't think the country is ready for any of that yet. That might sound pessimistic, but that's what I think. I'm originally from Upstate NY and I did NOT vote for Hillary for Senate. I don't think she has done as much for Upstate as she has done for the city. If she wins I HOPE that we get socialized medicine. (if you haven't seen it, go to freetvonline.com and pull up Sicko and watch it... If you don't cry for a good hour you have no heart).

 

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner!

 

sad but true. (I have a degree in Poli Sci... I'm such a nerd)

 

It's not true. It's what the media will have people to believe without them realizing it. The media and fear are what keep us running in circles and not creating our own paths. I personally believe Americans are sick and tired of big government, but media and fear put blinders on Americans and lead them down a very narrow path. That path is leading to McCain unfortunately. I am not a democrat, nor am I republican. I will be voting republican this year because Ron Paul happens to be republican. His ideas are the most pure. I know he's a Christian and that keeps us from developing stem cell research, but his positive points out weigh his negatives immensely. He is the best politician there is right now. He may not hit every point I'd like him to, but he wants to wipe out big government by giving the power back to the states, abolish the IRS, get the troops back home, go back to the gold standard (the central banking system is killing America), and secure America's borders.

 

Couldnt have put it better myself!

But remember what happened to the last president who tried to get us on the gold standard……..

 

Was that last American President JFK?

 

Thats the one.

Its a shamewe dont live closer....I think we could have some good conversations.

 

I agree, sir.

 

Until then, keep it up!

Im outta here to start my 3 day weekend!

Cheers jsa3mm!

 

Take it easy, HeathenBrewing. Have a great weekend.

 

HAHAHa...I dont get it???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-...&feature=bz301

 

I read a few articles on that girl-Obama has nothing to do with her-she did it for her own career. Her name is Amber Lee Ettinger. She, at the time of the interviews, hadn't even met Obama.

The comment about americans don't want change is somewhat correct in that change is scary and you can't control it. It's like trying to balance a baseball bat in you hand upright-it could fall away from you or it could fall back and pop you in the head.

A lot of the people who voted and believed im Bush are followers-they want to be led somewhere and they will support him to the death for it and even after all of these last 8 years they still support him.

We want things to be different-but not different in like we live in 1960's russia-we want better, we want happy and that's fine but change in itself doesn't mean this is what's going to happen.

It's like saying you hate your job and you relationship and then poof, your job gets ten times harder and your mate leaves you-hey, it's change-is it what you wanted????

 

The whole Clinton/Obama thing is just retarded. Hillary should just drop out and agree to a VP roll since she has such a slim chance of winning now.

And why the fark is Bush mentioned in the title of this thread? Oh I guess because he has a better chance at becoming president again than McCain does.

 

I am getting tired of the media lately when it comes to the future of our country's President. They don't even acknowledge that Ron Paul is still running. They keep talking about the three hopefuls. I hate to break the news to them, but there are four. At least all of the the Clinton and Obama supporters don't have to worry about their hopeful getting covered. Let's face it...scandal gets you air time. Since they say McCain is the only Republican hopeful left no one can really ignore that. I just want to let everyone know that Ron Paul is still in the running.

Ron Paul 2008 -- Hope for America