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Old May 23, 2007 | 07:02 PM
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BTW, aren't you the one who claims we will evolve to a point when we dont have pinky toes? That we use to have 6 fingers? Can you show me a site that talks about that?
That wasn't me. I wasn't even aware of that. I don't recall any mammals having more than five fingers, except for mutants. (Hemingway's cats)
Old May 23, 2007 | 07:02 PM
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Isn't it true, that scientists never had a great white survive in captivity for more than a couple hours?
Old May 23, 2007 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by krustytheclown
Breeding something to make a different variety is Evolution? So if I breed a bulldog and a shih-tzu, I evolved a Bull&%$#? Everyone I know tells me Evolution takes millions or billions of years. Including you guys.
if you want to go from one distinct species to another, then yes usually millions+, but i'm sure there are fish and invertebrae mutations that have passed and made signifcant changes to a species to warrant being called another speices. and if man got his hands involved, selectively breeding animals with mutations for breeding, it could happen sooner.
Old May 23, 2007 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Skeorx13
Originally Posted by krustytheclown
BTW, aren't you the one who claims we will evolve to a point when we dont have pinky toes? That we use to have 6 fingers? Can you show me a site that talks about that?
That wasn't me. I wasn't even aware of that. I don't recall any mammals having more than five fingers, except for mutants. (Hemingway's cats)
My apologies.
Old May 23, 2007 | 07:06 PM
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Tiger shark eh? Could I train it to eat my mortal enemies if they were to fall through some sort of trap door?
Old May 23, 2007 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Skeorx13
Originally Posted by krustytheclown
BTW, aren't you the one who claims we will evolve to a point when we dont have pinky toes? That we use to have 6 fingers? Can you show me a site that talks about that?
That wasn't me. I wasn't even aware of that. I don't recall any mammals having more than five fingers, except for mutants. (Hemingway's cats)
it's actually a very common occurance in cats, at a pet store i worked at, about 1 in 10 had the 6th digit.
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Tiger shark eh? Could I train it to eat my mortal enemies if they were to fall through some sort of trap door?
Spoken like a true mad scientist. They may need lazerbeams on their heads though. I think it might be easier just to put a bunch of spikes at the bottom of the pit under the trap door...
Old May 23, 2007 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by seattledave
it's actually a very common occurance in cats, at a pet store i worked at, about 1 in 10 had the 6th digit.
Wow, was it near a Nuclear power plant? Do they have any special needs (are they prone to dying early because of the mutation)?
Old May 23, 2007 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by seattledave
Originally Posted by xdorkx
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And what about the hundreds of modern scientific facts that contradict the bible's supposed accuracy?
Show me please, list all you can, but i'd like to see just ONE, i'm waiting...
the bible's great flood.

If you melted all the world's water frozen in ice, or found anywhere else, the world's sea level would raise a mere 215 feet. So instead of everyone in the entire world dying from the mighty flood, the most that anyone would have to do is run up a hill to escape god's wraith.

the bible specifiy says the waters covered hills, and then mountains. mount ararat is 16,854 ft tall. 215 feet up it, would cover squat.

and there is no way to scientifically come up with such a huge amount of water and then have it vanish. And the only explanation done by christian scientists, is this water vapor canopy theory which would require our surface temperature to be hotter than venus.
I believe in the Noahic flood and believe that the fossil record testifies to it. I know this is hard for you to believe Dave, but God does and can work outside of the normal laws we know and see today.

From what I understand, Over 95% of all fossils are marine. There are very, VERY few fossils of land animals. Of those land animal fossils, an incredibly tiny proportion are of hominids of any classification. But, and most important, fossilization requires very specific circumstances. There may be hominid fossils we simply haven't found yet in other strata...
Something must be covered completely and drained off in time for the cementing of the remains and subsequent fossilization to occur. I personally doubt that the flood fossilized anything other than marine organisms. Everything else would have been drowned and rotted and/or scavenged. We have references in the Bible, and many more in extra-biblical histories and legends, of subsequent catastrophes of enormous proportions: the dividing of the land in Genesis, massive volcanism, references to the hills and mountains "skipping" as well.
There are records of meteorite impacts both in legend and geology, and these could have caused enormous catastrophes. Geology and Job both include an ice age, and geologic evidences such as the Columbia River Gorge which separates the states of Oregon and Washington in the United States are indications of the rapid and catastrophic melting of some of the ice sheets as well as the breaking of natural dams. Given all of these indications, I would suspect that most of the non-marine fossils we have are remnants of these other catastrophes.

Point in case, I believe the fossil record PROVES that not only was there a flood, but one of catastrophic levels...


In a recent article from the Washington Post, explorer Robert Ballard (discoverer of the Titanic) led a team to the Black Sea in search of evidence for Noah’s Flood. About 550 feet below the surface, they found evidence of a ‘sudden, catastrophic flood around 7,500 years ago—the possible source of the Old Testament story of Noah.’

Here is a link to a reprint of the original article
http://www.museum.upenn.edu/Sinop/Post_article.htm
Old May 23, 2007 | 07:15 PM
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LOL... laserbeams!

I think spikes would be crude and uninteresting. I think we need a thread dedicated to things the lair of an evil genius should have. Man eating sharks is at the top of the list.
Old May 23, 2007 | 07:20 PM
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Ok... If one more person makes dave say the word "salinity" I am going to flip out. This has been covered. xdorkx, so your argument is seriously that god brought a whole bunch of water to earth and then took it away by magic?
Old May 23, 2007 | 07:25 PM
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Just to fuel the fire, the bible does speak of a water canopy over the earth. Yes Dave, I understand that SHOULD increase the surface temperature.

I want "frickin' sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads".
Old May 23, 2007 | 07:26 PM
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Haha, yeah seriously. I'm waiting for dave to pop a capillary in his forehead from having to explain it 30 more times.
Old May 23, 2007 | 07:30 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anger_management

Calm Down. The first step is admitting you have a problem.
Old May 23, 2007 | 07:31 PM
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Step three: profit!
Old May 23, 2007 | 07:32 PM
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We could start a "noah's flood" thread and make it a sticky
Old May 23, 2007 | 07:37 PM
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Or a sticky: Top ten things to make dave's head explode.
Old May 23, 2007 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by xdorkx
I believe in the Noahic flood and believe that the fossil record testifies to it. I know this is hard for you to believe Dave, but God does and can work outside of the normal laws we know and see today.
ok, what fossils have ever shown that all the earth's land masses were covered in more than just 215 feet?

When you say "God does and can work outside of the normal laws we know and see today", does that mean, when you had asked for scientific proof against the bible, you really wanted scientific proof against magic?

the bible says the water covered all the mountains, and while mount ararat is about half as tall as everest, you still would need enough water on this planet to go up another 16,000 ft. to cover ararat, right??? yes or no (please answer)

Originally Posted by xdorkx
Point in case, I believe the fossil record PROVES that not only was there a flood, but one of catastrophic levels...
"catastophic levels" ok, i'm with you. But say if the world's sea level went up just say 5 feet, OMFG that would be incredibely catastrophic to the planet and hundreds of millions of people that live on coastal regions. But we're not talking about going up 5 feet, or the maximum 215 feet that the world's sea level could rise, if we put every single drop of h20 in our oceans. No, the bible says at least mount ararat was covered, that's over 16,000 feet, if you want to include everest, that's 29,000 feet.

Originally Posted by xdorkx
In a recent article from the Washington Post, explorer Robert Ballard (discoverer of the Titanic) led a team to the Black Sea in search of evidence for Noah’s Flood. About 550 feet below the surface, they found evidence of a ‘sudden, catastrophic flood around 7,500 years ago—the possible source of the Old Testament story of Noah.’

Here is a link to a reprint of the original article
http://www.museum.upenn.edu/Sinop/Post_article.htm
wow, 550 feet below the surface, they find a possible source of an actual event that inspired someone to write that worl was covered in over 16,000 feet high water.

look, even if you made the entire world of ice and melted it, it's not going to raise the oceans but maybe a thousand feet.

You know the core of a sphere small, and the outer surface is big, right? Just think abuot how much more mass this planet would have, if you increased the surface out over 3(ararat)-6(everest) miles.

you know i just showed you exactly what you asked for, huh?
Old May 23, 2007 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by krustytheclown
Just to fuel the fire, the bible does speak of a water canopy over the earth. Yes Dave, I understand that SHOULD increase the surface temperature.
change SHOULD with WOULD.

for all the smart christians out there....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vapor_c..._vapour_canopy
Old May 23, 2007 | 07:59 PM
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ooooo, nice link. I love it when they put in numbers to back up the science. That's the one thing I wasn't ever real good at in physics. Concepts I'm good with. Equations and values, not so much.



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