Scientists have no more proof of evolution now as they did when Darwin was around.

Darwin was confused that the fossil record didn't show the missing links. Over a hundred years later, and a hundred million documented fossils later, and there still is no proof.

 

If you want to continue to listen to your preacher, and the creation sites that ignore all of the existing evidence, that is your choice. But the fact remains, the fossil record is consistent with minimal gaps.

Couple of things about fossils tho: a) it is extremely rare for an organism to leave a fossil b) it's quite possible that we haven't even found 1% of the fossils ever left. or maybe we've found 50% or even 80%, fact is, we will never know, ever, how many fossils were ever created, and we will thus never know if we ever find them all. Seriously tho, just think about how large the earth is. Think about how much of it is covered in water and ocean. Then consider that life was in the ocean for eons before it ever set a single flipper on the ground. Do you really think we find even close to all of the fossils?

however, considering the extreme unlikliness of even finding a fossil, the gaps are still minimal. And that's just facts.

 

Minimal? Are you serious?

When you can't show undevloped lungs or arms, or homo sapiens evolving from whatever they were before, thats not minimal. Show ANY animal evolving from another. Show any animal with undeveloped body parts.

That is the complete opposite of minimal gaps.

 

Dave or Citizen (I can't remember who) was talking about giraffes a couple pages back. About how they originally had short necks, but slowly evolved into having longer necks as they do today. But where are the fossils of short necked giraffes? Or even ones that were in the middle of evolving?

 

I can't prove it (due to lack of searching abilities), but I think you're wrong on this point.

 

What did Jelly Fish evolve from? Or Sponges?

 

With millions of species that have ever existed, it is unlikely that we will have an exact fossil map for everything.

 

Please someone show me that I am wrong. I really want to see ANYONE show one species evolving into another.

Scionofpcfl, Do you believe in Evolution because your teachers/profs told you it was true? That they had tons of evidence? That scientists believe it, so it must be true?

Evolution can't be proven, because of the Collosal "gaps" that show ANY animal evolving into another. Sure, theories can be made, but that dosen't prove anything.

 

I don't expect a full map of evolution. Just show the basics I.E. evolution happening. Show fossils evolving.

 

Besides that even after decades and decades of trying, Scientists can not turning non living matter into living matter.

 

No, I know it's true because of the evidence I have seen in muesems, books, and also the profs. But more than anything, it makes better sense than anything else ever presented.

Creationist haven finally admited to believing in microevolotion (it's actually undeniable). Macroevolution is just an extremely long chain of microevoltions.

They have that. They have the chronology of dino to bird, with zero gaps (odd as it may seem, land fossils are infinetly more readily available than those in the ocean). They didn't just make that up. If I knew the latin names off hand, I'd tell you what they are so you can find it for yourself. I don't study it, so it's not in my head.

 

Why is that surprising? We can't even cure a cold. That's how infintile science is at this point.

 

If scientists cant do it today, how could a inhumane earth do it?

Where are the undeveloped wings?

 

Is that to insenuate that if it can't can't be today, then it could never be done? Apply that to any discovery or technology and you'll see how silly it sounds. Fact is, we don't know a lot of stuff, including what jump started the whole thing. All we have is the evidence left behind, like a crime scene, only there aren't any witnesses.

Funny, you say that as if you've studied all of the fossil records, and peer reviewed articles on the matter. I can only tell you what I've seen, and they are there.

 

Provide a link that shows developing wings. Provide any links.

 

Like I said, you'll need a very specific search string to find it amongst the creation sites linking and relinking to each other, and I don't have the latin names to help that out. I'm not asking you to believe me, I really don't care, all I know is that I've seen it. It aslo doesn't help that I'm on a work internet with 99% of blocked. But maybe Dave can find it.

 

You are saying you would need a specific search string?

Shouldn't proof, be on top of every evolution web site? With a big F you to creation on the top? That "proof" would be everywhere.

 

I saw it at a muesem a while back, but it appeared rather cut and dry to me. The main problem is that palentology lacks media glitz with it's latin names and arcane references. It quite simply doesn't fit into easily digestable sound bites that the American audience can comprehend. There's also constantly new discoveries comming out, and some of them fit nicely into the plan, others require the plan to be reorganized. But the fact that we have any clue as to what the world looked like 100 million years ago is an astonding feat to begin with, a fact that many simply overlook.

Look, I've already convinced myself which is more correct, but I'm not versed in the subject enough to go about convincing others. Creation myths with 5 mile high floods, perfect gardens, talking snakes, forbidden fruits, creating a person from a rib, and 2 people spawning an entire species just lacked a completness and certain logic I was looking for. Evolution makes a lot more sense than magic to me. Are there holes? of course, but the theory is workable, flexible, and predictable. Most people are just hung up on the word "theory" due to a lack of education on exactly what the word "theory" means in the scientific community.

Believe what you like, it doesn't bother me. Unfortunetely, I am not an expert in the field, and I'm not attempting to become an expert in the field. I just know a lot more than the average American on the subject, but not enough to give you a satisfactory answer.

 

But if you know more than the average person, why can't you offer the proof?

 

There isn't a single "ah ha!" piece of evidence, it's an entire body of knowledge, with mountains of circumstantial evidence that seem to tell a rather specific story. In order to condense it to anything, a certain amount of profiencey (which I lack) in biology, chemistry, palentology, and physics (among other things) would be necessary. I have viewed and analyzed much (nothing close to all) of the evidence, but haven't retained the specifics of which you seek, which is just my way of learning. It's a waste of time for me going about memorizing all of the details because it serves zero purpose in my life as I'm not a researcher.

IOW, you may as well be asking me prove Euler's Theorum to you. It worked for me when I was in Calc and Diff-eq, but it's not something I use today. I know that Euler was right, but couldn't prove it to anyone. Nor could I prove to you, at this moment that .9999999999999... actually does equal 1, but I could have 10 years ago.

There's also the fact that it's a scientific theory, that can't be discounted, no matter how much you say, "it's just a theory". That status has an extreme level of regard in the scientific community, and has been tested over and over again by lots of people with loads more intellegence and training than you, me, dave, or 99.8% of the population will ever attain. Darwin didn't call it a theory, scientists later on gave it that status. Just like the Theory of Gravitation and the Theory of Electromagnetism, the Theory of Evolution encompasses a huge body of knowledge that works within a specific framework. A theory in science is big BIG news. It's like the grand poo-ba of existance. It seriously means a lot, and it isn't just some notion or idea like entertainment uses the word.

Right now the biggest thing they are working on is the Grand Unifying Theory, or TOE, the Theory of Everything. It's supposed to tie origination, cosmology, space, time, and well, everything together.