ok, you claim to believe the flood happened as it is said in the bible, right? that water covered the mountains as the bible says, right? yes/no

now, since this is your belief, not just the bible's, or some other christian's; How do you think the sea level increased 3-6miles, and then the water disappeared?

"I don't know" isn't the answer, as you say the bible isn't a lie/false, and you hold this as your belief. so let's hear it.

 

Dude, thats what religion is. Faith. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW EVERYTHING HAPPENED! Im not the one reaching, you expect me to believe that somehow, everything on earth just happened to evolve, that everything in the universe is on a perfect schedule, and the earth has the perfect balance of gases, the perfect tilt, the perfect amount of gravity, the perfect amount of Sunlight reaches the earth. How could everything be as perfect as it is by some chance? And I'm the one reaching?

2 people (1 evolutionist and 1 creationist) are walking in the woods. They find a watch. Evolutionist: It must of slowly over millions of years, evolved into that. Creationist: It had a designer.

Back to my question, how many Full Skeletons have been found of any pre-homo sapien humanid?

BTW, for the people who look at the crappy things we deal with (Hunger, Death, Sickness), and say there is no God, or if there is, he dosen't give a crap about us, whos to blame for that? Man. Man f'd the world up. It was perfect until man got here. Almost right off the back, we started killing each other.

Shouldn't some other species see that Man is f'ing up the world, and evolve into a point where they can stop us?

 

what's perfect about our atmosphere? it's 78% nitrogen, and that's killing us slowly.
things are far from perfect, but in another billion years, the earth will be different ubt equally perfect. We have adapted to the atmosphere, not the other way around. You know how certain south americans living in the andes have on average developed better lungs for breathing at higher atmosphere's for their entire lifes? Do you see how we're having a huge surge in diabetes because with medicine we're able to allow diabetics to get old enough to breed and pass on their inferior genes?

life adapts. doesnt matter if you're christian/atheist, most people acknowledge this.

(I'd like to stop right here and ask a question, Is your name Kirk Cameron in real life?) have you seen the videos of kirk cameron, if you are not him, describe the banana, and crociduck? lol...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLqQttJinjo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQHCVaYNr9c
just type in "kirk cameron" into youtube's search engine.

Why would an evolutionist say a complex man-made watch is from evolution?

i answered this already 3-4 postings back.
the answer is there have been hundreds of full skeletons of humanoids other than homo-sapien. cromagnum, neanderthal, homoerectus, etc...

there are thousands of pieces from non homosapien skeletons, but having a full skeleton minus a few vertebrae or pinky toe does not negate the skeletong being real, right?

but after the fall of man, god, jesus and angels still talked to people in the bible, but now nothing? Even god's favorite person killed hundreds of people, even killed his own best friend to sleep with his wife, but god talked with him all the time. His actions are worse than 99.999% of everyone else on this planet to ever exist, but still god was there, but now all of a sudden? is you being a consumer and polluting the planet worse than killing your best friend for his woman?

is there any real response to such a question, or are you just throw hail mary's now?

 

Sorry I missed youre post where you said there were full skeletons found. Proof? Not saying you are lying, but I would like to see links.

One thing that always bothered me about dinosaurs (in books and movies) was that scientists know nothing abot what dinosaurs looked like (like skin color) and how they lived. You watch Jurassic Park, and the T. Rex roars, how do they know that the T. Rex roared?

How do they know what huminoids look like? How do they know what their face looked like? Hair? Skin Color?

It seems like the "older" a skeleton is, the more ape-like the scientists make it. By hunching it over, making the face look like a ape, and adding hair. If you truly want some Human fossils to look apelike, you could.

Evolutionist say that a giraffes neck is so long, because its ancestors had to stretch to reach the top of the trees. But what about Weightlifters, why don't they have children that are all big and musculy?
Darwin acknowledged: “If numerous species . . . have really started into life at once, the fact would be fatal to the theory of evolution.” (The Origin of Species, New York, 1902, Part Two, p. 83)

 

King David commited horrible sins. Yet, he was truly repentant for what he did, and begged Jehovah for forgiveness. Jehovah forgave him. God talked to people back then because they didn't have a full written word (sure some of the books of the bible were written, but not all). We know have the word of God.

BTW, why is there supposebly multiple authors to genesis? Because of the different words used for God? The unreasonableness of such a view, can be seen in that in just one small portion of Genesis we find the following titles: “the Most High God” (’El ‛El·yohn′, Ge 14:1; “Producer of heaven and earth” (14:19); “Sovereign Lord” (’Adho·nai′, 15:2); “God of sight” (16:13); “God Almighty” (’El Shad·dai′, 17:1); “God” (’Elo·him′, 17:3); “the true God” (ha·’Elo·him′, 17:1; “the Judge of all the earth” (18:25). Trying to use this as a basis for attributing each of these sections to a different writer produces insurmountable difficulties and becomes absurd. Rather, the truth is that the different titles applied to God in Genesis are used because of their meaning, revealing Jehovah in his different attributes, in his various works, and in his dealings with his people.

Pick up any book about WW2. On any given page about **** Germany, you will see different references to Hitler. Like Adolf Hitler, Hitler, or Führer. Would you assume that means there are different authors writing that book? No.

 

there's this cool website called google.com. go there and type in "cromagnum skeleton" or neandrathal skeleton or homo erectus skeleton and you'll be able to read about many excavations of entire skeletons. I'm not sure if there is a single website that lists every known excavation of human remains and sorts them by completion of their skeletong though.

scientists can deteremine how muscles and skin would have formed around bones by knowing how all current species do it, it's not much of a guess. skin color and texture is hypothized. roaring trex's is for the movies.

if you take my skull, and see were all the muscles go, and see how my skin lays on top it, and compare it to yours, and then compare it to an apes, you'd see it's not much of a challenge to do it to another primate skull. Skin color in humans, is based upon calcium absorbption, and the amount of melanine one has is to protect from the getting too much.

black skin = always in the sun, need lots of melanine to protect from getting too much calcium (i.e. africa)
white skin = not in sun enough, so there's little melanine in skin to not keep whites from getting too little skin.

it's natural selection, which im sure you dno't believe in


answered above

ancestors of giraffee, think horse-like creatures, slowly developed longer necks, it took many many generations to fo this, but it's hard to say how long it took, as it's evident with dogs, features can change drastically with time.

the weightlifter thing...good lord man, do i even answer such a question? Look changes to one's body after they are born, make no impact on their children. That's like wondering why people who lose an arm in surgery don't have one armed children.

I spent most of my high school time doing lsd and other drugs, and yet i remember that, what's your excuse? Is this krusty's little brother taking over his account? I don't remember you being like this.


see you tomorrow

 

But if changes don't matter after you are born, what you just said about the giraffe is moot.

Another prime example of evolutionists favorite activity, chastizing "stupid" people. A favorite way of converting the masses?

Why so harsh? What did I do to you to receive such remarks? Did I insult you?

 

From Livescience.com (http://www.livescience.com/history/0...struction.html)

"Even though the reconstructed fossil is made up of both Neanderthal and human bones, Sawyer doesn't believe that modern humans could have evolved from Neanderthals based on the pelvic and torso discrepancies between the two species."

http://www.newscientist.com/article....mg18524915.100

All I see is people mixing and matching bones. I could mix and match turkey bones and a cow. Would that make a turkeycow?

 

http://www.boneclones.com/sc-019.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Ferrassie_1 (Skull)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanidar_1 (This is my favorite, they use crushed bones)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Moustier (Skull)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Chappelle-aux-Saints_1 (Skull)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal_1 (Skull, Armbones, fragments)

I think this page speaks for myself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hominina_fossils

Fragments.

I'm sorry does Fragment = Complete Skeleton? What does fragment mean? Lets go to merriam-webster for the answer:

Main Entry: 1frag·ment
Pronunciation: 'frag-m&nt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin fragmentum, from frangere to break -- more at BREAK
: a part broken off, detached, or incomplete

Incomplete. Huh, Odd. Cause you said Complete Skeleton. I see fragments (or INCOMPLETE, the OPPOSITE of COMPLETE) of skeletons.

 

After seeing all these complete skeletons, I guess its hard to deny Evolution Huh?

Barf.

 

Well, what about Cromagnum Skeletons?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cro-Magnon_1 (Skull)

BTW, some more if evolution happened, how did... questions for you.

Explain how we evolved into having Blood Clotting. Why dosen't all blood keep on clotting?

Lets go back to the very start. What turned inanimate matter into animate matter? Explain that. Because thats really the basis of your religio... Uh, I mean belief of evolution. Sorry, I get confused like you do with Magic and God. My bad.

 

Forgot about you retinal. Explain how a NERVE could "evolve" into being sensitive to light?

Or Photosynthesis? How did plants evolve into having that extremly developed system? What about before they had that system? How did they live?

How could the battle of survival go on with no vision? Or incomplete cells? I always thought that with incomplete cells, you die.

Robert Naeye, a writer for Astronomy magazine and an evolutionist, wrote that life on earth is the result of “a long sequence of improbable events [that] transpired in just the right way to bring forth our existence, as if we had won a million-dollar lottery a million times in a row.”

Wow. You make fun of creation?

For the first animals to survive, we need to believe that both creatures evolved in Male and Female at the perfect time to reproduce. That they knew How to reproduce. That they evolved in the exact same place and time.

Oh, and you believe in Natural Selection? Most scientists believe in Chance. Is Natural Selection the same as chance?

 

LOL, i'll answer your question for Dave, NO full skeletons have been found...none, zero zip NADAA

They've either been fabricated by plaster, put together from multiple animals, or just fake all-together

In Fact:

Heidelberg Man
Built from a jaw bone that was conceded by many to be quite human.

Nebraska Man
Scientifically built up from one tooth and later found to be the tooth of an extinct pig.

Piltdown Man
The jawbone turned out to belong to a modern man.

Peking Man
500,000 years old. All evidence has disappeared.

Neanderthal Man
At the Int'l Congress of Zoology (195 Dr AJE Cave said his examination showed that the famous Neanderthal skeleton found in France over 50 years ago is that of an old man who suffered from arthritis.

Cro-Magnon Man
One of the earliest and best established fossils is at least equal in physique and brain capacity to modern man...so what's the difference?

Modern Man
This genius thinks we came from a monkey.

 

If you don't understand it then how can you argue for or against it? You're groping blindly in the dark. Meanwhile, the things we talk about we DO understand and thus CAN argue for or against them. I don't ask you to believe anything, I ask you to stop denying the truth of scientific matters that have solid evidence merely because it contradicts your religious beliefs. Oh and not one of us said anything about "everything in the universe being on a perfect schedule." Nature has no schedule for evolution. And the reason we are here and life arose here isn't some grand perfect mystery. If things weren't "perfect" for life to arise here we wouldn't be here talking about it life would have arisen elsewhere in the universe where the parameters are proper for life to arise and they would be arguing about this. It's not that deep of a concept, man.
There is also something that seems to be neglected in this argument. Life has self assembling molecules. A watch does not. A watch does not have the potential to build itself. Biomolecules do.
Yup, everything wrong is the world is cuz of man, everything good is caused by god. That seems pretty convenient doesn't it?
That's not how evolution works, as I've stated dozens of times before. Organisms don't choose to evolve. They get a random mutation that either helps them survive better or it harms them. We just happened to get the mutations that lead to larger more intricate brains. Someday, dolphins or other apes may reach that point as well. But that would most likely take millions of more years before that could even begin to happen.

 

But xdorkx, we must be morons if we disagree with skeletons BUILT by a bunch of SCIENTISTS that combine bones from different species to build a skeleton!

"Even though the reconstructed fossil is made up of both Neanderthal and human bones, Sawyer doesn't believe that modern humans could have evolved from Neanderthals based on the pelvic and torso discrepancies between the two species."

So you combine two different species to make 1 skeleton, but in the same sentence, you don't believe that we evolved from the other.

Yet we are the stupid ones?

Scientists have found more complete dinosaur skeletons that supposebly live 200 million years ago.

 

Because it is the movies, not science. Any drawings of the dinosaurs are artist's renditions and based on extant reptiles. Dinosaurs are also very similar to birds (chickens are I believe the closest relatives genetically) so their skin is most likely similar to the scales on their legs. This is however subjective. Have you ever seen "Underworld"? They have bullets with silver nitrate in them. They look like shiney silver liquid. That's not silver nitrate, that's mercury. Silver nitrate is clear. This is Hollywood screwing up the visuals, not scientists.
As dave stated changes during life won't change the DNA. And giraffes didn't stretch their necks to reach the trees. Their ancestors had shorter necks like horses. One of the ancestors mutated (through errors in mitotic replication) and they had slightly longer necks. This gave them the ability to reach a food supply that the non-mutated organisms could not reach. This animal survived longer/better because it had a larger accessibility to food stores than the others. It bred and propagated the gene for longer necks.
Exactly. Evolution is of small changes over vast time periods, not "goo" magically instantly turning into a walking talking man.

 

Show me a fossil that shows Alligators Evolving.

 

Blood clotting was most likely evolved from a mutation that encodes for cells in the bloodstream. Clotting factors (proteins, like fibrin, in the blood stream) and platelets are produced. These recognize damage to the vascular walls (exposed collagen fibers) and bind to them. Erythrocytes (red blood cells) get stuck in the meshwork and help to plug the hole. Originally I would assume the first mutation that occurred for this would be to produce fibrin clotting factors in the blood stream. Either that or the platelets are mutated from white blood cells perhaps. What do you mean by the latter question? If you mean why doesn't blood clot in your veins and arteries without a cut, it is because the platelets and fibrin clotting factors don't have any collagen fibers to bind to in order to initiate coagulation.
I've already explained this. Animate matter and inanimate matter are merely boundaries by man. There is no real difference between the two. It is merely the complexity you are looking at and assuming there is a difference. The calcium in your bones is no different than the calcium in rocks. Evolution isn't religion. Evolution isn't magic. It is amazing and fascinating, but it isn't magic. It's nature. I guess when you never have to ask questions about your beliefs and have everything explained to you as "don't worry about it, god did it," everything probably seems strange and crazy...

 

Blood clotting was most likely evolved from a mutation that encodes for cells in the bloodstream. Clotting factors (proteins, like fibrin, in the blood stream) and platelets are produced. These recognize damage to the vascular walls (exposed collagen fibers) and bind to them. Erythrocytes (red blood cells) get stuck in the meshwork and help to plug the hole. Originally I would assume the first mutation that occurred for this would be to produce fibrin clotting factors in the blood stream. Either that or the platelets are mutated from white blood cells perhaps. What do you mean by the latter question? If you mean why doesn't blood clot in your veins and arteries without a cut, it is because the platelets and fibrin clotting factors don't have any collagen fibers to bind to in order to initiate coagulation.
I've already explained this. Animate matter and inanimate matter are merely boundaries defined by man. There is no real difference between the two. It is merely the complexity you are looking at and assuming there is a difference. The calcium in your bones is no different than the calcium in rocks. Evolution isn't religion. Evolution isn't magic. It is amazing and fascinating, but it isn't magic. It's nature. I guess when you never have to ask questions about your beliefs and have everything explained to you as "don't worry about it, god did it," everything probably seems strange and crazy...

 

Trinil 2 - Skull

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lantian_Man (Found different fossils in different parts of China. Yep Different Parts of China)

Thank You for proving my point. A Skull is not a complete skeleton. Please refer to my definition of the word Complete, if you dont understand that word.