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Old May 30, 2007 | 08:51 PM
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All animals are here/were created for a reason. They all help the food chain some how. I guess their purpose was done, how do they know that they didn't exist after the flood? Carbon Dating?
Old May 30, 2007 | 08:52 PM
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That is one cool looing animal though.
Old May 30, 2007 | 09:03 PM
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All animals being dependent on one another is a result of evolution...

Why would an all powerful/knowing god make it necessary to even have animals?
Old May 30, 2007 | 09:07 PM
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Old May 30, 2007 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by citizen01
Why would an all powerful/knowing god make it necessary to even have animals?
to provide food for his worshippers.

that's why vegans are going to hell, they deny god's gifts.
Old May 30, 2007 | 09:12 PM
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Haha, I know you were kidding but for anyone who would give that answer...

Why bother with food that must result in a life being taken? Why not a great tasting food abundant in all countries? He could have made the earth edible and regenerative. Oh, no wait, that's right we eat animals as a result of "survival of the fittest".
Old May 30, 2007 | 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by citizen01
Haha, I know you were kidding but for anyone who would give that answer...

Why bother with food that must result in a life being taken? Why not a great tasting food abundant in all countries? He could have made the earth edible and regenerative. Oh, no wait, that's right we eat animals as a result of "survival of the fittest".
i read somewhere that "dark people" are filled with sin, and that is why god doesn't bless them.
Old May 30, 2007 | 09:55 PM
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Since this went off topic on the first couple pages I don't feel bad about changing the topic.

I was hoping one of you science whizes could help me. Why is it that when a black and white person mate the baby is a mixture of the color but when someone with blue eyes mates with someone of brown eyes it does not result in a mixture of color? Also, if globalization continues at it's current rate will everybody be brown with slightly slanted eyes in a 1,000,000 years (theoretically of course)?
Old May 30, 2007 | 10:41 PM
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Old May 30, 2007 | 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by seattledave
in some cases. So, are you part of the skeptical crowd that wants nothing to do with carbon dating for anything more than 10,000 years old, or carbon dating altogether(which would be 4,000 years older than Adam btw)
There very well could of been tens of thousands of years before Adam was created, that other animals lived here. Maybe some of them died out before Adam was around.

Carbon dating seems to have some pretty big problems though. If the atmosphere was different before the flood (you have to admit, that if the earth was covered in a water canopy, Most UV rays wouldn't of made it to the earth, and would of made a big difference in c14 degradation (sp?) wouldn't it?) that would make stuff appear a lot older than it was.

As for carbon dating inanimate stuff (rocks), how do they even test that? Rocks have c14?
Old May 30, 2007 | 11:02 PM
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Old May 30, 2007 | 11:18 PM
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I read some of that christiananswer website thing and I realized a couple things...

1. Notice how few scriptures that they reference? They mainly just talk about obsure tales from different areas around the earth.

2. What makes a dinosaur a dinosaur? If all the dinosaurs existed today, don't you think some animals, like crocodiles, alligators, and lizards be considered the same as dinosaurs? This is just pure speculation, but it makes a little sense to me, but thats just me, and I'm sure someone will violently disagree with me.

Dave, the truth is, I can't prove to you without a shadow of a doubt that the flood happened. I believe it. Why is a global flood happening that much harder to believe than non living matter evolving the basic proteins needed for life, and then turning into living matter?
Old May 30, 2007 | 11:33 PM
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Old May 30, 2007 | 11:44 PM
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Old May 30, 2007 | 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by seattledave
If you took all the ice on this planet and melted it, drew out all the water out of the clouds and fresh water lakes and rivers and threw all of it into the ocean, the world's sea level would raise about 215 feet

True or false? the bible says the flood covered all the mountains of the world for 40 days.

ok, everest is 29,000 feet taller than sea level right? you can say yes.

you are aware how close 215 is to 29,000, right? I now you were required to take math through at least elementary school.

Look, I couldn't prove to you aobut the flood not being able to happen if it fell into your "days of creation" alternate dimension, but it didn't and the bible writes it's lineage from adam to noah to moses to abraham to king david to jesus, multiple times in the bible.
I know you said that about the ice melting. You have said that MULTIPLE times, I never once said the ice caps melting is what caused the flood. Never Once.

I've said for the flood to happen, the mountains must of been lower than they are today.

And forgive me for I am but a infidel, but what are you saying in your last paragraph? What does the lineage from adam to noah etc... have to do with what we are talking about now? For some reason, I just don't understand what you are trying to get me to understand.
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Old May 31, 2007 | 12:25 AM
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Water Canopy. You are stuck on only the water from the ice caps melting.
Old May 31, 2007 | 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by krustytheclown
Water Canopy. You are stuck on only the water from the ice caps melting.
forget all of that.

The point Dave is trying to make is that, and let me be clear:

THERE IS NOT ENOUGH VIABLE WATER ON THE PLANET EARTH IN ANY FORM, BE IT GAS, LIQUID, OR SOLID, TO COVER EVERY SQUARE INCH OF LAND.

Theres not even enough water to cover most ( 50%+) of the earth.

You could take all of the water from the polar ice caps on mars and add it to the equation on earth and you would still not have enough water to flood the whole earth. It is a not possible.

This is not a difficult concept to understand.
Old May 31, 2007 | 01:14 PM
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Just use logic or whatever to show it COULD have happened even
10 mile wide hunk of iron moving at 400k mph smashing into the gulf of Mexico. <.1 a second after breaking the surface of the water inbeds itself 2000 feet below the ocean floor. Not sure the size of wave it would have caused, but I'm betting it was rather fantastic. Of course that happened like 200 million years ago, not 5000 years ago. And nobody would be here today typing on the interweb thingy, so we're off just a tad. But is this a splash that could have covered Everest? Heck, what about just Mt. McKinnely, much lower and much closer to ground zero.

And what is this "water canopy" nonsense? Are we talking about the water vapor created by the ocean near the landing boiling insantly, and the millions of tons of splash that launched itself into orbit fro the asteroid landing or something?
Old May 31, 2007 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by citizen01
I was hoping one of you science whizes could help me. Why is it that when a black and white person mate the baby is a mixture of the color but when someone with blue eyes mates with someone of brown eyes it does not result in a mixture of color?
Dave pretty much got all the main points. It has to deal with different pigmentation types. The pigment in skin is based on general melanin production in the skin cells. Think quantitative. The eye coloring is based on a specific pigment that is produced in the same levels (more or less). There are some variations. The main problem with eye pigmentation research is there are no known diseases connected to eye color. Skin color has cancers associated with them so there is far more funding for it. So I'd say the vast majority of the eye color genetic research is based off of observation rather than extensive genetic analysis.

Generally speaking blue eyes and blond hair are recessive as is green eyes. Strange anomalies do occur though. In my family there is four boys and two girls. My father and my mother (both brown hair and brown eyes) had me and my older brother. We are both blond haired blue eyed. My mother and my stepfather (black hair brown eyes) had my little half brother (blond hair blue eyes) and my little half sister (brown hair brown eyes). My father and my stepmother (I can't remember her attributes, sadly) had my other little half brother and little half sister (both blond hair blue eyes). It seems very odd to me that all the boys, regardless of mother/father pairings. We all look similar too. Our eyes, however are all varying degrees of brightness. My older brother is deep blue, mine steely blue, and my little brothers almost gray. So there is probably a quantitative aspect to eye coloring, but it is far less dramatic than skin pigmentation.
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Also, if globalization continues at it's current rate will everybody be brown with slightly slanted eyes in a 1,000,000 years (theoretically of course)?
As far as skin coloring goes, yes it should occur that way. However due to not everyone breeding with everyone the opposite spectrum as themselves, I don't ever really see that happening. And even if it did, I doubt the slanted eyes would occur. Possibly a slightly modified eyelid structure, but it would be very minor. (Much like any of my half asian friends)

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