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Old Oct 3, 2005 | 05:52 PM
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LOL, its Gaydar Nance...I did a little dance at jillians?
Old Oct 3, 2005 | 05:54 PM
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I didn't think ___ men liked "boxes" eeeer bad joke. Ill go now
Old Oct 3, 2005 | 06:22 PM
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yea you did a lil dance... cant you remember???
Old Oct 3, 2005 | 06:56 PM
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I didn't think ___ men liked "boxes" eeeer bad joke. Ill go now
Old Oct 3, 2005 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by hayalex6
Originally Posted by TheIcon
I didn't think ___ men liked "boxes" eeeer bad joke. Ill go now
___-Me sez with a blush of self-denial:

The ONLY box I've ever been in
Is RS2...with out wim in


Old Oct 3, 2005 | 07:29 PM
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Wow, this thread really surprised me. No offense Scifly but when I saw your pic I kinda knew you were ___ but I didn't really think there were many more ___ people on this forum. I guess it's because I can't see them or talk to them and pic up on their mannerisms. I'm straight as Indian hair, married to my beautiful wife and have a wonderful son who'll be three next month. But anyway, I go to a school that focuses a lot on art, nursing, and culinary. I am the only straight guy in my entire program and I cannot tell you how many times a guy or girl come up to me thinking I am ___. It doesn't bother me. I really think it's kinda funny. Girls will talk to me about stuff that they wouldn't normally talk to a straight guy about and then they see my wedding ring and are like "Oh my God" I thought you were ___. Guy's will smile at me and try to sit next to me. It's really funny. Sometimes I play along with the girls. They'll be like "are you married?" and I'll say something like "well yeah, me and my partner went to Massachusetts to get married and then came back here". Then I'll tell them the truth. Well, I just took this thing way off topic. Sorry!
I've been noisy and out on this forum for many months now. Am surprised you never knew this? That picture is recent. It's a crop of my triumph portrait- when I'd just nabbed a thief stealing a chainsaw. I thought it was my most butch moment: When Pollyanna peaked on testosterone. OH the shame now you say it kinda told you I'm ___? Owwwww
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/5...shot0030rr.jpg

We find that most ___ guys cannot be "spotted" as ___. A minority of gays are fussy dressers or are affected in speech, or other ways. A minority of gays. Not most.
Most are absolutely indistinguishable from straights like you. Which is why the girls and boys at culinary presume you are ___=by your group association only.

In real life I don't employ campy speech, either. I just do it here for fun. We look for fun. The best laughs source from our most diggggnified selves.

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Old Oct 3, 2005 | 07:43 PM
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thought it was my most butch momment: When Pollyanna peaked on testosterone. OH the shame now you say it kinda told you I'm ___? Owwwww
Sorry!
Old Oct 3, 2005 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by X_Box
yea you did a lil dance... cant you remember???
nope I dont remember my 'little dance' during which part of the day did my 'little dance' take place??
Old Oct 3, 2005 | 08:05 PM
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edited: due to hearts broken
Old Oct 3, 2005 | 08:17 PM
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rolstc is cool.

OK!

By acclamation it is resolved
-Scion xB is not a ___ car
-Unless it is on 19's

Old Oct 3, 2005 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SciFly
But homophobia runs deep. Straight guys do not like to share page space with open-talking gays.
I never understood the term "homophobia". It's misused. A "phobia", by definition, is a fear. The term homophobia literaly means...a fear of homosexuals. Just because someone may not like homosexuals, doesn't mean they are afraid of them.
There can be a distinction between how someone feels in this matter. I myself, do not approve of homosexuality. I believe it's a sin and it's against God's design for us. That does NOT mean that I dislike ___ people. We are ALL siners and it's not up to me to judge anyone. I could easily be friends with a ___ person and I try to treat everyone with respect. That doesn't mean I approve of your chosen "lifestyle". Do you see the difference? The problem is, anyone who is anything other than 100% accepting to everything ___ is labeled as a homophobe.
Old Oct 3, 2005 | 08:24 PM
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In a real sense I do agree with you. You are not "afraid" of gays. Certainly, not in the sense that some deeply frightened, insecure males are afraid that, somehow, the seed is in -them, too- (and that is often the case: most peeps are mixed to some degree- but never act on it or become terrified by it)

On the other hand, employing the word in it's less pure sense, religious proscriptionists (you are one such and say so), are "homophobic" in the way that your religion may well denounce gays as abominable sinners. Evil corruptors that would spread the evil through all mankind if not checked.
Some fundamentalists call us mignons of a literally-real devil.
Some call for us to be murdered (Swaggart).

Moderate people of all sorts recognize nonsense when they hear it.
Ignorate people, who might be moderate and tolerant by nature sometimes become -inculcated in the religion of homophobia by zealots of religious fringes.. or semi-mainstream, depending on how we see the question.

You don't homophobe. But your religious sect does.
I simplify only to the extent necessary to make the point.
No aggravation or challenge intended,

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Old Oct 3, 2005 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SciFly
You don't homophobe. But your religious sect does. I simplify only to the extent necessary to make the point.
No aggravation or challenge intended,

Reid
Hmmm....not sure what you mean by, "your religious sect". I go to a non-denominational Bible teaching church. The Bible is pretty clear that homosexuality is wrong. But it's equaly clear that we are to love EVERYONE and to treat eachother with respect. Anyone who teaches otherwise is taking the Bible out of context. Love the siner, hate the sin. Gotta run. Catch up with you later.
Old Oct 3, 2005 | 08:32 PM
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i think the phobia in homophobia relates to the indivisual's fear that they might be homosexual. It doesn't mean you are afraid of gays.

Edit: oops, saw that Scifly already stated this. Sorry for reposting it.
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I've always wondered something but have never really felt comfortable having this conversation with a ___ guy. Reid maybe you can give me your side of the story. Here it goes: At what point do you realize you are ___? Is it when you are young and you don't fit in with a certain crowd? Where you not into sports so you hung out with girls? Is it when you are older and just decide to experiment? Did you think it was okay to be ___?
I hope you don't take offense to these questions I just have always wondered these things because where I am from it's not really acceptable to be ___. I have never, until I started the school where I am at, been around ___ people so I have a bit of a prejudice towards the homosexual community. I have tried to understand and become accepting, which is hard for me to do. I grew up in small town Alabama and was really into sports and girls my whole life and I was raised to believe that it is wrong. I still think that it is wrong but that doesn't mean that I dislike you or anything. Like I said, it's just something that I have never been able to understand, maybe you can explain. I have friends that will get into debates over whether or not it's "pre-programmed" or not. I say "no", they say "yes". Your thoughts?
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Originally Posted by matt_a
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You don't homophobe. But your religious sect does. I simplify only to the extent necessary to make the point.
No aggravation or challenge intended,

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Hmmm....not sure what you mean by, "your religious sect". I go to a non-denominational Bible teaching church. The Bible is pretty clear that homosexuality is wrong. But it's equaly clear that we are to love EVERYONE and to treat eachother with respect. Anyone who teaches otherwise is taking the Bible out of context. Love the siner, hate the sin. Gotta run. Catch up with you later.
Probably "Christianity". It's got quite a track record of prounouncing things this or that via the bible. But if we carry this branch of the discussion further it won't do eithe of us any satisfaction or alter any minds. So this is not the thread I guess to speak of moralistic implications of a natural variance in mammalian life which has always existed and must always exist because "God" made "us" this "way". Whatever any of that means.

laters? OK, by PM would be best so not to descend into theosophical areas boring and annoying to almost all of us including you.
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Originally Posted by VanillaRice
I've always wondered something but have never really felt comfortable having this conversation with a ___ guy. Reid maybe you can give me your side of the story. Here it goes: At what point do you realize you are ___? Is it when you are young and you don't fit in with a certain crowd? Where you not into sports so you hung out with girls? Is it when you are older and just decide to experiment? Did you think it was okay to be ___?
I hope you don't take offense to these questions I just have always wondered these things because where I am from it's not really acceptable to be ___. I have never, until I started the school where I am at, been around ___ people so I have a bit of a prejudice towards the homosexual community. I have tried to understand and become accepting, which is hard for me to do. I grew up in small town Alabama and was really into sports and girls my whole life and I was raised to believe that it is wrong. I still think that it is wrong but that doesn't mean that I dislike you or anything. Like I said, it's just something that I have never been able to understand, maybe you can explain. I have friends that will get into debates over whether or not it's "pre-programmed" or not. I say "no", they say "yes". Your thoughts?
No problem speaking to answer any of your questions. All I can offer is my own perspective, my own realization: when, how but not why.
I'll do that later and -no worries, guy. Quesions are never any offense from you or anyone.

I've got to run out for a while to care for my best old buddy: A conservative Catholic 40 years my senior who I kiss on the forehead goodnight at bedtime, who I read to from the bible and to whom I cuss and swear and tell ___ stories for his straight amusement. And it's all good because we are not a "community" of anything but this: the family of humankind.

Let us not make false barriers. Wrong is not wrong except by what subdividers of humanity would teach, would put upon all men. There is no wrong in nature. There is only cultural taboo, generally implemented to help assure the success of some parochial program/ agenda. I almost want to apologize for the last sentence, except that really, it is just like that. (but now that challenges into a direction I hardly want to go deeper because it inflames Godly people and that is not my aim or desire.

later, here. reid
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At what point do you realize you are ___?
Can only speak for self. Am unusual.
Discovered when I first had sexual emission, not before.
And the trigger for that interest was a certain boy's backside in the seventh grade gym class. And this was very confusing, upsetting to me. It was not my choice but it was my fate. Same goes for you, whoever is reading here.

-I came from a normal family
-No abuse, no exposure to gays in media or print or anything. Had heard ___ jokes and "knew" that was an undesirable thing (cultural training/brainwashing)
Secretive from family at puberty.
-was intensely disgusted with self
-attempted to deny those thoughts. looked over girl pictures. could do. did not like at all.

-I was fifteen and suicidal. no one to ask, no one to talk to but my best buddy who was straight and cool. He grounded me. To this day I think he saved my life by saying "reid, you're OK! I don't give a rats ___ if you like guys. It makes no difference in who you are. you are you and so what?

-have always respected people who tolerate eccentricity and can see the big picture. -The alternative is to drive teens into depths of dispair that kills many of them. Probably the leading cause of teen suicide is that mixed sexual feeling which many teens must struggle through: My family will shun me. I'll lose my friends. Disgrace my family, etc.

-I went on to join the USN to become independant and get life experience. I by age nineteen I was at peace with myself. It was that year that I met my first companion to whom I gave that first experience. And this confirmed the four prior years had been wasted in self-pity, self hate and denial which was nothing good. Was everything toxic. I could've killed myself. But I did not. I lived and continue to do so.

Feel so strongly about this -inalterable fact of basic sexual identity for each one of us to go with, as we were meant to do- by our biology! It's not choice and it's not alterable.

Now- I'm purely ___. And this is quite rare. Most all guys who identify as ___ have tried both sides extensively, even long term marriages, before settling more or less to one side and identifying themselves as this-or-that.

I'm a ___ guy and that's that. At age 51 I don't think it's gonna flop the other way. Inf fact, have never heard of flopping "straight". It isn't that this way is 'better' cos it surely is not but another side of the mirror. It's more like: those who are mostly ___ at root find this will always be true. It cannot be altered. It is in the brain chemistry. Nor is homo-desire contagious to a more or less straight guy. Does not happen.

Sexual identity is probably best defined by: what's your favorite gender to sleep with? Which do you most fantacize about? Many or most can privately admit some sort of minor conflicts in the past.
I'm ___. Another guy might be 90 percent straight. I happen to be 100 percent the other way and, this is rare. So I am not a very mainstream example. No one made me this way. That is my key point to make. No one, no person, no cultural cause. Inborn. Who put it there? God or -chance-, right? So, why is this inescapable preference to be frowned at by uncomfortable people?


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don't end heavy, reid! tell a joke. why not?

Four men went golfing together one day; three headed to the first tee and one went into the club house to take care of the bill. The three men started talking, bragging about their sons. The first man told the others, "My son is a home builder and he's so successful that he gave a friend a new home - for free."

The second man said, "My son was a car salesman and now he owns a multi-line dealership. He's so successful that he gave a friend two Cadillacs."

The third man, not wanting to be outdone bragged, "My son is a stock broker and he's doing so well that he gave his friend an entire stock portfolio."

The fourth man joined them on the tee after a few minutes of taking care of business. The first man mentioned, "We were just talking about our sons. How is yours doing?" The fourth man replied, "Well, my son is ___. I'm not totally thrilled about it, but he must be good. His last three boyfriends gave him a house, two cars, and a stock portfolio."
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"pre-programmed" or not. I say "no", they say "yes". Your thoughts?
Sorry, they are correct. And I have no agenda whatsoever except to
-encourage young people not to die worrying over sexual identity. It will be what it will be.
-tolerate and embrace all people. Especially those who make you uncomfortable; who challenge you. This is one reason that -I- am here!

it is just that simple, folks.
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I like that the mods are letting us talk about "being ___" and such....I actually hoped the thread would take this direction but put a title/topic to it that would get people to leave their impressions/ideas/comments. I had not seen one post that made me think anyone else here was ___. I was starting to feel that I didn't belong on this site because I felt like I was the only ___ and not very experienced in car modification and stuff. Now I like it again...thanks to everyone!



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