Who has seen Brokeback Mountain & what did you think of
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Originally Posted by ScubaLubaSteve
Djct, Don't you think its a bit much to say this is being forced down America's throat? It's not a law that everyone in creation must see this movie. If you are not interested in it, then don't go see it.
And, the "explicit ___ sex scene" you are referring to has no nudity in it and lasts 15 seconds. I can think of hundreds of straight movies with sex scenes much more explicit but because they have hot girls with big ***** in them, they are acceptable to you. Perhaps girls and ___ men find these scenes offensive and forced down our throats. I'm sure you never considered that.
If you would actually take the time to either read about or go see this movie, you would see that there is really nothing "___" about it. There are no crossdressers or trannies, no ___ club scenes with tons of buff shirtless men, no flamboyant swishy men running across the scene saying feminine things, and no one is dying of AIDS. All of which have become so stereotypical in ___ themed movies these days. While the birdcage was a funny movie, it played right into several of these stereotypes. Brokeback Mountain transcends these by not focusing on it's ___ theme. It's a movie about love, life and hardships in which the 2 central characters happen to be men.
I am not saying any of this to flame or put you down. I am glad that you actually took the time to give your opinion in this thread.
And, the "explicit ___ sex scene" you are referring to has no nudity in it and lasts 15 seconds. I can think of hundreds of straight movies with sex scenes much more explicit but because they have hot girls with big ***** in them, they are acceptable to you. Perhaps girls and ___ men find these scenes offensive and forced down our throats. I'm sure you never considered that.
If you would actually take the time to either read about or go see this movie, you would see that there is really nothing "___" about it. There are no crossdressers or trannies, no ___ club scenes with tons of buff shirtless men, no flamboyant swishy men running across the scene saying feminine things, and no one is dying of AIDS. All of which have become so stereotypical in ___ themed movies these days. While the birdcage was a funny movie, it played right into several of these stereotypes. Brokeback Mountain transcends these by not focusing on it's ___ theme. It's a movie about love, life and hardships in which the 2 central characters happen to be men.
I am not saying any of this to flame or put you down. I am glad that you actually took the time to give your opinion in this thread.
Brokeback has grossed $5.7Million. . . while Hostel, a pretty half-butt slaughterfest scored $19.6M, and it's been in theaters for only a fraction of the time that BBM has been.
I'm saying, as a sympathizer to the "___ rights movement," that BBM does more harm than good. Movies like The Birdcage, is far more effective, IMO. Many people see any kind of homosexual intimacy as a turn off. And it does not help to force these kinds of scenes on your viewers. . . short or long as they may be.
Movie artists should create movies that remind people of the humanistic similarities that we all share, rather than exposing the naked truths that we may not all want to see.
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Originally Posted by ScubaLubaSteve
Its the same as hanging an American Flag in your front yard. You are taking pride in being an American, but you are also shoving it down the throat of all the people who were born in other countries.
And considering there is 1 thread in all of ScionLife that the ___ owners are chatting in, I hardly feel people should be upset or threatened by it. And it's not a pick up thread by any means. We are all different ages and in different states and none of us have ever met. We are simply chatting with each other because it's the one thread where we can openly talk without having to worry about people bashing us.
And considering there is 1 thread in all of ScionLife that the ___ owners are chatting in, I hardly feel people should be upset or threatened by it. And it's not a pick up thread by any means. We are all different ages and in different states and none of us have ever met. We are simply chatting with each other because it's the one thread where we can openly talk without having to worry about people bashing us.
I don't think an American Flag is offensive, but I do find BOTH Bush and Kerry stickers to be offensive. Nobody really cares in the first place. . . and nobody is going to change their mind from someone's bumper sticker. People who support you will feel better about themselves and people who don't will key your car. It is an unproductive way to push your cause. Reason, restraint, and tact are far better tools to sway someone's opinion.
There are three ways to change someone's point of view:
1) Put a gun to their head
2) Find a way in which they can relate to your point of view
3) Reason with them (which is often endless, and very difficult to do, since most people do not properly use logic/reasoning, if at all).
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Originally Posted by ScubaLubaSteve
can't even compare what? anyone know wtf this guy is talkin about?
Chill cowboy.
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Originally Posted by djct_watt
I think it is great that you guys have an open forum. . . it's tough, I do understand. Try to realize that you guys are pretty lucky the mods here honor free speech. Had this been most any mod-crazy forum, you guys would not be allowed such freedom (which is really unfortunate).
There are three ways to change someone's point of view:
1) Put a gun to their head
2) Find a way in which they can relate to your point of view
3) Reason with them (which is often endless, and very difficult to do, since most people do not properly use logic/reasoning, if at all).
There are three ways to change someone's point of view:
1) Put a gun to their head
2) Find a way in which they can relate to your point of view
3) Reason with them (which is often endless, and very difficult to do, since most people do not properly use logic/reasoning, if at all).
ScionLife or any other entity has the absolute right to NOT let you say whatever they deem not to their liking. That's NOT covered by the Constitution!
Per your last three points - very well put. And #1 is the equivalent of bumper stickers, flags and the like. Are people too sensitive? Dunno - that's a personal call.
I don't like that stuff myself.
You guys can get your panties all in a wad thinking I'm anti-___ or whatever you like. I know better. I have these conversations with my friends whom are ___ - men and women. I'm open to learning and discussion - sadly, some of you are not.
Cheers,
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I saw it a few weeks ago. I'm ___. I was dragged to it not even knowing it would have a bisexual theme. It's not a ___ film.
-there is no explicit sex. That's that. Kissing is not explicit
-the theater was filled with clearly-hetero couples. I could not spot any likely-___ couples at all.
-no one walked out.
-for me, the film seemed very very long
-its all tragic but some moments of fine humor (you need that).
-its not about living ___. It's about surviving the crap that gets dealt to your plate.
-the protagonists are real mens-men, not "___gy" in any way.
-just like most really, truly ___ guys I know it that respect.
-it required many years (in the film) for these two men of real integrity, to come to some sort of understanding. Then it all failed and fell apart.
-the ending is very cool.
-it is not a ___ film. It is a film about choices no man makes for himself.
stop being ignorant/hateful (you who recoil from the topci by insulting your brothers) and by damn, acheive half of your long path to heaven or inner peace. Be kind to those who -you are not of-.
-it NOT freakin' contageous. lotta men are bisexual and that is all that is.
and this story plays from that: personal chemistry in this rare, fictional case, gone all to crap because of societal pressures.
Society was their problem, not their see-saw swing to the same side of the fence.
Anyway, I thought the film to be super good but too long. And there was no explicit sex to really grip my crotch.. not one bit. Nothing to turn me on at all. It was like, violence and bloodletting. No more arousing than a fist fight. Tame tame tame and just as it should have been shown, so 'it' was.
"explicit sex" no. that's pure baloney
-there is no explicit sex. That's that. Kissing is not explicit
-the theater was filled with clearly-hetero couples. I could not spot any likely-___ couples at all.
-no one walked out.
-for me, the film seemed very very long
-its all tragic but some moments of fine humor (you need that).
-its not about living ___. It's about surviving the crap that gets dealt to your plate.
-the protagonists are real mens-men, not "___gy" in any way.
-just like most really, truly ___ guys I know it that respect.
-it required many years (in the film) for these two men of real integrity, to come to some sort of understanding. Then it all failed and fell apart.
-the ending is very cool.
-it is not a ___ film. It is a film about choices no man makes for himself.
stop being ignorant/hateful (you who recoil from the topci by insulting your brothers) and by damn, acheive half of your long path to heaven or inner peace. Be kind to those who -you are not of-.
-it NOT freakin' contageous. lotta men are bisexual and that is all that is.
and this story plays from that: personal chemistry in this rare, fictional case, gone all to crap because of societal pressures.
Society was their problem, not their see-saw swing to the same side of the fence.
Anyway, I thought the film to be super good but too long. And there was no explicit sex to really grip my crotch.. not one bit. Nothing to turn me on at all. It was like, violence and bloodletting. No more arousing than a fist fight. Tame tame tame and just as it should have been shown, so 'it' was.
"explicit sex" no. that's pure baloney
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On one point, yes, these ___ (or bi?) men are just like hetero men in that they are cheating on their wives and children because they are selfish.
In that, I guess sexuality has no bounds.
I'm not interested in seeing a movie about heteros in the same situation.
I'm married and take that and fatherhood seriously - I'm tired of Hollywood trivializing being a REAL MAN and taking care of your family.
This is yet another "do what's best for YOU" movies and I don't care of the characters are ___ or straight.
I liked your post, SciFly, FWIW to you.
Scott
In that, I guess sexuality has no bounds.
I'm not interested in seeing a movie about heteros in the same situation.
I'm married and take that and fatherhood seriously - I'm tired of Hollywood trivializing being a REAL MAN and taking care of your family.
This is yet another "do what's best for YOU" movies and I don't care of the characters are ___ or straight.
I liked your post, SciFly, FWIW to you.
Scott
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Just saw it last night...I thought it was a well executed movie. The acting was amazing and the story heart wrenching. Not a movie you should see if you're having a bad day though, it does have some sadness to it.
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Originally Posted by slboettcher
On one point, yes, these ___ (or bi?) men are just like hetero men in that they are cheating on their wives and children because they are selfish.
In that, I guess sexuality has no bounds.
I'm not interested in seeing a movie about heteros in the same situation.
I'm married and take that and fatherhood seriously - I'm tired of Hollywood trivializing being a REAL MAN and taking care of your family.
This is yet another "do what's best for YOU" movies and I don't care of the characters are ___ or straight.
I liked your post, SciFly, FWIW to you.
Scott
In that, I guess sexuality has no bounds.
I'm not interested in seeing a movie about heteros in the same situation.
I'm married and take that and fatherhood seriously - I'm tired of Hollywood trivializing being a REAL MAN and taking care of your family.
This is yet another "do what's best for YOU" movies and I don't care of the characters are ___ or straight.
I liked your post, SciFly, FWIW to you.
Scott
. THIS IS NOT A "do what's best for YOU" movie! This is exactly the opposite. If they had done what's best for them, they would have told society to shove it, gone off and found a nice little ranch in the mountains and lived happily ever after. Tell me, exactly how, marrying a person that you do not love, but can give you a comfortable life makes one a "real man"? How does working your ___ off as a job you love, that pays nothing and barely supports your family, and your wife is constantly letting you know that you are not "good enough" makes one a "real man"? Tell me how sleeping in the same bed with your wife who doesn't want you to touch her make one a "real man"? Tell me how supporting your children, financially and emotionally makes one "not a real man"?
Get a grip man, go tell your ___ and lesbian friends what you really think of them and thier "lifestyle". Go tell them that they are not "real men" because they are not like you. Tell them they have taken the easy way out, because they did not do what "society" said they should. Tell them that their "lifestyle", is equivalent to having sex with children. Tell them that you are tired of them shoving their "lifestyle" down your throat.
And as far as "dating/hookups" threads that us gays so often start here on a "car" site...how about these straight "dating/hookup" threads? Didn't see any complaining about them...
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Oh yeah and one I can not find right now but something like "come on single girls, lets find ???? a date"
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Originally Posted by cmndrjamesbond
It was the first western I've seen where the good guy gets it in the end.
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Originally Posted by cmndrjamesbond
It was the first western I've seen where the good guy gets it in the end.
Sorry to spoil the ending for anyone who is still planning to see the move but since the title of the thread is "Who has seen...", you've been warned. I'm sorry Franken, but I don't think that being beaten to death by homophobes weilding bats/bars whatever is very funny.
your is not amusing.
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Well, like I said I haven't seen the movie.
I thought the "good guy gets it in the end" part when you're referring to a movie like this was pretty damn funny though.
Lighten up man, it's just a movie.
I thought the "good guy gets it in the end" part when you're referring to a movie like this was pretty damn funny though.
Lighten up man, it's just a movie.
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HuskerChub:
I'm pretty sure that the line was meant as a double entendre. If one hasn't seen the end, then the real ending's cruelty was not intended to be the joke of that line. Since apparently it was what you said, then of course, it's not funny.
As for your diatribe above, I was told from my friends that did see it that they didn't like it because the two guys were deceiving their (or one of them) wive(s) and children while knowing they were ___. That was my point, and if you bothered to read - yes read what I said, you'd see that I blame straight people for being just as selfish.
A "real man" if he is ___, doesn't marry a woman and hide.
A "real man" if he is straight, doesn't cheat on his wife with another woman.
Real men, take care of their families - whether that's a wife or a man.
That's all I was saying.
And FWIW, I do tell my friends that I don't like the flags, stickers, bracelets, etc. I don't have a freakin' need to let YOU know I'm straight.
You can think what you want in the end, I don't care. Just don't alter what I say or mean.
Scott
PS - I think a few posts back I DID say that threads by "straight" folks doing the same crap doesn't belong here - there's plenty of places on the 'net for couples to hookup - ___, straight, or whatever.
I'm pretty sure that the line was meant as a double entendre. If one hasn't seen the end, then the real ending's cruelty was not intended to be the joke of that line. Since apparently it was what you said, then of course, it's not funny.
As for your diatribe above, I was told from my friends that did see it that they didn't like it because the two guys were deceiving their (or one of them) wive(s) and children while knowing they were ___. That was my point, and if you bothered to read - yes read what I said, you'd see that I blame straight people for being just as selfish.
A "real man" if he is ___, doesn't marry a woman and hide.
A "real man" if he is straight, doesn't cheat on his wife with another woman.
Real men, take care of their families - whether that's a wife or a man.
That's all I was saying.
And FWIW, I do tell my friends that I don't like the flags, stickers, bracelets, etc. I don't have a freakin' need to let YOU know I'm straight.
You can think what you want in the end, I don't care. Just don't alter what I say or mean.
Scott
PS - I think a few posts back I DID say that threads by "straight" folks doing the same crap doesn't belong here - there's plenty of places on the 'net for couples to hookup - ___, straight, or whatever.
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Yes, I'm perfectly aware of how it was meant, and I didn't find it amusing the first time. Yes, I should have addressed it to the original poster and not Franken...I was not meaning to attack him or anyone else, just letting people know that violence angainst anyone is not funny and is not for making jokes about. Anyway, Franken is from OK and if a Huskerfan from NE cannot rib an Okie now and then well, what's the point! (He'll know what I'm refering too if anyone else doesn't)
As for having a need to let anyone know you're straight, of course you don't! You are "mainstream"/majority/"normal". Everyone assumes that you are straight. Guess what, most people assume I am too, and most ___/les/bi people are. I believe this is one of the major reasons why people are constantly telling us we are not a "valid" minority...we don't have an easily visually recognizable difference. Our flags, triangles etc, help to make us visible to ourselves and to others. To ourselves so that we aren't always thinking "I'm the only one/alone/vulnerable". And to those who want to pretend we don't exist or assUme that we are like them.
I am not speaking for the GLBT community, I am speaking for myself...we are different, and it is more than what goes on in the bedroom. In somethings we are very similar just as men/women are similar, yet we are also different. Those differences are not easily definable and I'm sure have been studied by people far more qualified to discuss them than me. Those difference are sometimes the reason for our "pride" and why we celebrate.
As for having a need to let anyone know you're straight, of course you don't! You are "mainstream"/majority/"normal". Everyone assumes that you are straight. Guess what, most people assume I am too, and most ___/les/bi people are. I believe this is one of the major reasons why people are constantly telling us we are not a "valid" minority...we don't have an easily visually recognizable difference. Our flags, triangles etc, help to make us visible to ourselves and to others. To ourselves so that we aren't always thinking "I'm the only one/alone/vulnerable". And to those who want to pretend we don't exist or assUme that we are like them.
I am not speaking for the GLBT community, I am speaking for myself...we are different, and it is more than what goes on in the bedroom. In somethings we are very similar just as men/women are similar, yet we are also different. Those differences are not easily definable and I'm sure have been studied by people far more qualified to discuss them than me. Those difference are sometimes the reason for our "pride" and why we celebrate.
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See, that wasn't so hard, was it?
I accept your explanation, knowing full well that you speak for nobody but yourself - in that, we are alike.
Let me just reiterate something - I don't necessarily agree with or understand your world (although I do try to) but I in no way, in any shape or form, condone violence because someone is ___ That is surely a sign that someone is repressing something, as Freud would agree with.
Be safe. Enjoy your life. I wish you well.
Scott
PS - Penn State kicks the snot out of you midwest *******!
I accept your explanation, knowing full well that you speak for nobody but yourself - in that, we are alike.
Let me just reiterate something - I don't necessarily agree with or understand your world (although I do try to) but I in no way, in any shape or form, condone violence because someone is ___ That is surely a sign that someone is repressing something, as Freud would agree with.
Be safe. Enjoy your life. I wish you well.
Scott
PS - Penn State kicks the snot out of you midwest *******!