Both arguments have been made well. IMO, although Scions are sold and bought as tuners, one is looking for trouble and/or disappointment if buying an FR-S with the thought in mind that the "moderate" torque at "moderate" rpm is a flaw that needs to be fixed before you are satisfied with your car's performance. I know that lots/most of the fun can be had in modifying/customizing. That said, if your primary want is power/torque and not handling, wait a year and see what the toyboru engineers come up with to resolve the high compression ratio/direct injection compatability with a blower---if there is a "satisfactory" solution.
The Motor Trend First Impression may have nailed it. (see below)

Motor Trend First Drive December 12/9/11

"Back in the pits, I gather my thoughts. Scion doesn't just have a special car on its hands -- it's got a potential smash hit that can be enjoyed by many. It is a car that will likely redefine the Scion brand and the entry-level enthusiast car segment as a whole, too. Take note, kids: Having the fastest, most enjoyable car doesn't mean having the most powerful or the priciest. The FR-S is what budget-themed performance is all about. Don't believe me? All it takes is four laps."
http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/co...ive/index.html

 

yeah i see your point. but for every stock v6 mustang you have 10 modified fr-s. see what im tryin to say? and it will be very hard to boost the motor. and yes. it will for sure void the warrety. but it would be fun to boost it and take it in for my free oil change and see their faces when they pop the hood

 

forget the #'s, the $'s.... after you test drive you, try to rate how FUN it is to drive.

and then try to find another car reasonably close in price to compare it to (new).

 

Honestly it's not really the V6 mustangs that you should watch out for especially if you're boosted. It's the 5.0s. But I agree with you that there will be less v6s modified. Most of the enthusiasts pony up for the 5.0. Every car can be "fun" to drive depending on where you take it. My old, stock tC was fun when I took it to the back roads. My new daily is fun whenever I go anywhere near the throttle and is a blast on the back roads.

 

I rarely post on SL anymore because I bought an s2000 - but this thread (and half the internet's posts regarding this car) is outrageous. Written by some guy who is just whining that a car wasn't to his liking. First world problems. Please.

I can genuinely say there is a plague in the enthusiast world for any product: people needing to just KNOW their "numbers" are the best. 95% of most car owners do not do anything with their cars that would resemble the purpose they were intended for. Be it truck owners with hauling capacity or in this case sports car owners with HP and 0-60 figures. A single drag event is what, $20, and most people don't even do that. Just get over it.

Seriously - with a car like this you either get it or you don't. It's really that simple, because you're either the market or you aren't. It looks good, it handles great, it's acceptable in terms of acceleration (btw, if you check InsideLine's review of the new Genesis Coupe, the 0-60 time is almost the same as the FRS), and it's fairly affordable. Don't like it? Firstly, learn how to use punctuation and capitalization so you don't have 50 run-on sentences, and secondly, make a valid point.

Nobody cares for your whining and nobody cares for your poser demands.

 

Where is the like button, awesome post sir.

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How many more valid points need to be made?

 

Thanks, TwztedtC. I'm just tired of people openly and unknowingly admitting they want to buy their own "race cred."

And Slammed_DC, where do I begin?

OP states the speedometer goes higher than the actual car can go. Is this the first time he's sat in a car with a speedometer?

On that note, is this the first time he's heard a car stereo? Was he expecting a built system?

OP states the interior felt cheap. Now, I've owned a tC for 6 years and the interior is cheap but extremely livable. This is still a car in a "cheap" price range. I didn't think anything was wrong with the FRS interior at all.

OP states passing power is not there. He felt he could take the FRS in his tC and that made him upset. Translation: his butt dyno wanted torque. Even though the car is notably faster than a tC. Not that he bothered to check the numbers.

OP states 5k worth of engine mods should get it up to speed. At least. Really?

OP states the car is not a sports car because it does not have power (aka high butt dyno results). Considering it is quicker, on Prius tires, than a Miata which is widely considered a sports car of generations, and quicker than his tC, and built to be balanced - I think the OP lost his point. He should "buy a v6 mustang" as it was stated many times. Or a v6 Camry. That'll smoke a lot of cars.

OP "shames" Scion.


Ok, let's move on to your point. Where does a v6 mustang "destroy" an FRS? In straight-line speed? Yup. Agreed. Sounds like you aren't interested in what an FRS offers.

Also, a Miata is definitely the target for the FRS. Basically the same price. Same purpose. And the s2000 got a lot of crap for that whole "no torque" thing you guys keep complaining about but now because it has a 40hp advantage at the crank, it is awesome? I drive an s2000 and I love it. It is the track car I've always wanted with absolutely no complaints or compromise. I respect the FRS because it is built along the same lines but $8,000 cheaper new, leaving room to play the "tuning game." Not that you posers race on tracks.

And what is a "real car" exactly? I'm curious because now I'm questioning the realness of my own car!

 

Concerning making valid points, he's about 0 for 40. However I applaud you for even wasting your time replying to him.

 

I know forums and comment systems are full of people who would complain about burns from hot cups of coffee freshly poured but I was LOLing too much to keep it to myself.

 

A stock S2000 parks the frs in straight line racing. A stock S2000 handles most likely on par with the frs. A V6 Pony was proved, in another thread, to also be faster around a track than a frs/brz. frs's power delivery may have been praised 12 years ago... but it's 2012.

 

Don't forget 305hp and a track package was only able to yield it 1 second. Far from impressive against a measly 200hp, stock car.

 

Don't forget that the stock, V6 Mustang was the same price as well. 1 second is a lot on that track. Keep in mind that on the same track, same driver, the 5.0 Mustang was just 0.1 seconds slower than a E92 M3... or in terms so some can understand, a 2010 M3.

 

What the 5.0 does is irrelevant. That's a whole different conversation.

 

It is but it puts perspective into that time.

 

Not really. V6 doesn't equal V8. 420hp > 305hp. So a 5.0 would be quite a bit faster which proves nothing for the V6's time other than it's slower.

 

Once again, performance figures on tracks that most people who complain about them will never put to the test. It's just to have these proverbial, theoretical *****. Learn to drive any car near its limit on a track and get back to us on what you prefer.

A Mustang and an FRS are different markets. If someone is that dead set on a Mustang, get the Mustang. I don't see the big deal. Get what you want. Not every car has to be to your specific liking. It's like every sports car that comes out has to play the "value wars." I'm not gonna judge a V6 mustang against a Camry despite their likely similar pricing and v6 power and near identical 0-60 times.

I've driven my share of mustangs and those things are huge and do not feel A.N.Y.W.H.E.R.E. as sharp and engaging as my s2000, and I'd imagine an FRS. They are, however, more comfortable and livable. The seating position and height of the center console made me want to relax and drag race people. I totally "got it" regarding muscle car culture in that moment.

Different cars for different purposes and audiences.

 

The whole argument you guys are having would be destroyed had the FR-S/BRZ cost about $2-$3k less. That's what they should have priced it at, but didn't. Most likely because of the horrible dollar value we have going for us, as well as the Yen's problems and the exchange rates.

Go back to pre-Obama America and it would have been $22-$23k.
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Everyone and their mother has a Mustang(even mine did!, a GT). If you're buying a Mustang, it better be a GT. The V6 is for high school girls whose daddy's didn't want them to have a V8 and knew they wouldn't notice the difference anyway. However, the fat/ugly high school girl got the GT(for the boys to drive).

 

This tread is retarded!

Whoever wants mustang in this tread go buy it jesus . If u want frs go buy it. And if anyone wants mustang why in the world are u on this site i dont see mustang anywhere in url.

 

^LOL! Retarded thread is retarded. Has it gone full retard yet?