If hes gonna do a S2000, fk it, go get a turbo kit for the FR-S

 

OK, didnt realize you could only pick them up at Honda dealerships... considering they are how many years old?

 

yea.. they stopped production of them in 2009. Maybe a honda dealership that also sells used cars? lol Dorschel has that around here.

 

Uhhhh... only new one will be found in a museum lol, good luck.

 

Apologies for stepping in here, but considering the range of this thread (and even just the first post), I moved it out of the Drivetrain and Power forum and into the Lounge.

I do need to add just one comment to those complaining the FR-S doesn't have the power of a '69 Hemi Charger: It's a sports car, a driver's car, not a dragster.



Let me give just a hint. I used to have MGs, and they were sports cars. How much power did they have? 58 hp.

Want another example?

I also used to have a little Porsche Speedster...



It had all of 88 hp on a good day.

It's not just about power...

 

Following along Tomas's train of thought, my track car is 2650lbs, 200 hp N/A engine that doesn't make power until 4000 RPM, RWD, 5spd, and it's old Toyota technology, not a well thought out collaboration like the FR-S, but it has similar numbers on paper. It does fine on the track. The FR-S will do fine on the track. Light to light tough guy racing, not so much. Toyota got this one right fellas and ladies.

 

There are 3 at my local Honda dealer. One has 1,500 miles on it. So practically new. And I've driven the S2000 and its 100times better than the FR-s.. Looked at the S2000 today and put a hold on it until tomorrow at 5pm. I'm going to the Nissan dealership tomorrow.

 

It sounds like some of you guys are suggesting that the FRS is a better sports car because it's slow. That if it were any faster it would only be good for drag racing. You do realize that there are fast sports cars, right?

 

^Then this would be entry level for those that do not recognize that. A fast car in the twisties can have that go against them versus a slow car that can stay flooring it, not having to brake as hard before turn-in. I'm sure you'd know this. It's about balance, and for the upgrades you do to maintain that balance.

i.e.

^the full clip for this

 

Not at all. For $25,000 there is a great car that's fast and agile. A 2006 Corvette.

 

Exactly. You could also get a E46 M3 for $21k. But new vs. new in this category and price bracket, it's not a bad choice. I don't know what's so hard to grasp about that.

 

What we are suggesting is that just because it doesnt have 300-400hp, it isnt a blast to drive.

 

How do we know that the driver of the "modified" AE86 isn't a lot better than the Skyline driver? How do we know that the FRS won't be even better balanced with 250hp? IMO Toybaru didn't settle on 200bhp because it was the perfect amount for the chassis, they settled on 200bhp because it was sufficent for the price point they intended to sell the car for.

I don't want a used Corvette or M3, I want a FRS with 225-250bhp. Is that asking for too much? I realize it would cost more but I'd gladly pay more for it. IMO the current 200bhp may be enough to make the car fun but it's still pretty weak these days. I'd like to be a little quicker than the slowest hot hatch or Civic Si.

I stand by my initial impression of the FRS. It's a Miata for guys who wouldn't own a Miata. Although it slots in between the Miata and 370Z performance wise, I was hoping it would be a little closer to the Z than barely ahead of the Miata. I may still buy one if it looks like IHE can add at least 25whp.

 

So a tC with Intake and Exhaust is fast? In what direction...lol. Love this review. It's full of win.


A slower car "driven" faster than a "faster" car driven slower....put my money on a faster driver every single time. The very reason why these comparo's where the FR-S is like 1-2 sec slower (with it's OEM tires) at the track than car X, just tells me that a guy with some experience is going to be surprising a lot of people at the track in an 200hp FR-S/BRZ. All he would need would be a set of tires (not even competition), and it's going to be eating up a lot of cars out there.

 

You can get a 1998 Dodge Viper for $25-26k also. People really need to stop comparing brand new cars to used old ones.


Really? $34k brand new...and you didn't think it would be better?

 

Yus My tc2 with ihe, is really fast. Don't be jelly of my quickness. Really though, it prolly sits at 6.5 seconds 0-60. Maybe a tad less. Depends on the drive tho.

 

I wonder how awesome this car would be with the five liter Lexus IS-F V8 engine in it...or the LFA's V10...drool...Then it would be the sweetest car this side of a Corvette!

 

My tC runs a GT3076r Dual BB with 326whp on a Dyno Dynamics and weighs 2600lbs and I still don't consider it fast. Still would love to have an FR-S even when my tC would run faster in reverse than it. I understand the value of being a good driver rather than having a bunch of power to make up for my lack of skill. Tracked the tC with 150whp for like 3 season before it has the power it has now. I'm waiting to see what kind of release series they come out with the FR-S, or what new improvements they make on an already awesome chassis.


That's what Orido runs in his GT86 D1 Drift car.

 

Yea, it depends on the downhill incline. Your IHE gave you maybe 12more WHP. It might sound and feel faster but its barely moving any faster.

 

He's willing to pay $34k for 240hp, but won't pay $25k for 200hp? Brilliant logic. It may be quicker by a small margin, but not for a $10k price difference. Plus it has less room and weighs more without the hardtop.