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Old Aug 1, 2006 | 06:32 AM
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eh, I still don't feel that Lexus/Toyota can change direction that easily, its like making a u-turn on a one way street, you're going to crash...

but nevertheless, BMW has rhyme for their reason(keeping the whole sports enthusiast thing alive, one of the few manufacturers left that make cars that let you feel the road, stuff like that) and Toyota also(even if this is overdramatic and mid-life crisis like)

Hey lexus, how about an SMG type option? no?
Most people who truly CARE cant AFFORD beemers as entusiast cars anyway. Its the lawyers/doctors/other poseurs who need to have an 'image' is what keep the brand going. If BMW made a 4000lb FWD car with the 3 series skin and sold it at the dealerships instead of the real deal, I am willing to be that 85% of the customers will NOT notice. More power to them though, because I like how their cars drive and I admire their philosophy about performance. Sucks to be associated with the kind of ppl who own them though.

yeah lexus..are you listening? SMG/DSG style system ftw!!
You'd be surprised. I know quite a few people who truly care that drive BMWs. Nobody ever said it had to be a new one, you can go into any BMW and find that same remarkable driving style. I can just jump into a 96 BMW 328iS, then write paragraphs on how it ate the twisties, how it accelerated like no other, etc. I can't jump into an SC300 and say the same, Lexus just started doing all of this stuff recently and on impulse, because they want younger buyers, BMW is still just like , yet still churning exciting cars


eh, I haven't seen it....and ofcourse you dont, I don't think anyone on here does...
Somehow you completely missed my point.
may bad, I see your point. Buying it for its badge....all too common practice(and it gives everyone else the bad name)
Old Aug 1, 2006 | 03:54 PM
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Don't get me wrong I'm a fan of the M3 and I can't wait to see what BMW brings to the table when they introduce the new M3. But like you said, even though the RS4 weighs like a whale. the dam thing is still able to hit 0 to 60 in 4.7 secs. Now the last I check, the last M3 hit in just under 6 secs with 5.8.
If by "M3", you mean "330", then yes, it hits 60 in 5.8. If by M3, you actually mean M3, then it hits 60 in 4.8. Hell, the old M5 hit it in like 5.0 and that thing was a tank (~4000 lb, 394 hp). If the M3 couldn't do it faster (although it is a boat at 3400 lbs), that would be sad. The new generation hits 60 in like 4.5, but I'm not expecting that from the M3, since it's likely to weigh in over 3500 lbs. Here's to hoping they make a new M3 LTW/CSL and sell it in the US!

the CSL would be awesome.......

what are the numbers for the new m5, i sort of know but im too lazy to go look. All i know is the new M5 is supposed to be really quick.
Old Aug 1, 2006 | 10:01 PM
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507 hp
0-60 BMW Rated at 4.5 (C&D says 4.2)
mid 12 quarter mile time
weighs 4012 lbs

The real beast of the BMW lineup is the M6. Has the same engine, but it's lighter with a lower center of gravity. It's slightly faster to 60, and slightly faster through the quarter, and both of these cars handle awesomely (is that a word?).
Old Aug 1, 2006 | 10:25 PM
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you would think the M6 would be slower, it seems to be much larger of a car.

I saw a video of a M5 dragging a f430 in germany, the M5 won every time.....

very fast car.
Old Aug 1, 2006 | 10:41 PM
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the 6 is only slightly heavier than the 5 to begin with. The M6 is only about 100 lbs lighter, which is a lot, but I'd guess that a lot of it has to do with replacing the normally all glass tilt-function only roof of the 6-series with a fixed carbon fiber roof.
Old Sep 1, 2006 | 10:10 AM
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I have a feeling Lexus will be going with a hybrid version.

IS450h, which would be slightly tweaked most likely. Still would be a 3.5 Liter V6 but with alot more horsepower.

Would not add as much weight as a V8.

Let's see the 350 has around 306 hp, could be around 390 - 400 hp. Time will only tell. The 0 - 60 could be about 4.3 - 4.4 seconds (rough calculation). Almost in the 2008 BMW M3 range.

The hood might be in carbon fiber, but thats only speculation, for the reason to keep the front of the car covered.
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