Pricing Announced for 2008 Scion xD
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Originally Posted by John99GSX
So 10K subcompacts increased to 13-15K.
Thats a 33% to 50% increase in price due to inflation?
I don't make the same salary I was making then, but my salary didn't take a 33% to 50% increase because of inflation either. I received merit increases and time in grade type promotions. I don't remember the base salary for most entry level positions increasing any over the last 3-5 years.
If I think back on 10K cars limiting to about the last 15 years they were all true econo boxes. Small motors many producing well under 100hp. Most did not handle well at all in stock form. Many people purchased them as second/commuter cars and you don't see many of them still running around.
The main factor on the increase is going to be the "standard" features on the newer cars many of which were not even options on the subcompacts even 5-8 years ago. I think the quality, safety, and comfort of the sub compacts has taken huge strides and it shows in the cost. I for one would not consider something without power steering, AC, and several other of the nice "standard" features. With all the traffic and huge vehicles on the road today i feel a little better knowing all the added safety features in the subcompact market is helping them achieve 4 and 5 star safety ratings.
Thats a 33% to 50% increase in price due to inflation?
I don't make the same salary I was making then, but my salary didn't take a 33% to 50% increase because of inflation either. I received merit increases and time in grade type promotions. I don't remember the base salary for most entry level positions increasing any over the last 3-5 years.
If I think back on 10K cars limiting to about the last 15 years they were all true econo boxes. Small motors many producing well under 100hp. Most did not handle well at all in stock form. Many people purchased them as second/commuter cars and you don't see many of them still running around.
The main factor on the increase is going to be the "standard" features on the newer cars many of which were not even options on the subcompacts even 5-8 years ago. I think the quality, safety, and comfort of the sub compacts has taken huge strides and it shows in the cost. I for one would not consider something without power steering, AC, and several other of the nice "standard" features. With all the traffic and huge vehicles on the road today i feel a little better knowing all the added safety features in the subcompact market is helping them achieve 4 and 5 star safety ratings.
However, if you add so many features to subcompacts that it moves the segment into the next price bracket, then you're kinda defeating the purpose of the segment...small cars lower income people can afford. And now, someone who would have bought a Civic can only afford a Fit...they're only other option would be to *shudder* buy the less expensive domestic!
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Originally Posted by zoltiz
Sorry to go off on a tangent here, but wouldn't it be nice if they added a "t-boned by an Expedition @45mph" test to the NHTSA safety testing procedure? Especially for sub-compacts. Then we'll really know how safe we are.
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As far as pricing for cars in US goes - they are still very affordable. Yaris with a *1.3L* is $20K in UK (GBP 9,975). Civic hatch with a 1.8L and a DSG (we don't have these here) is $30K in Ukraine. And I won't mention gas prices.
xA was $13K, xD is $15K, but xD is definitely $2K better than xA any day (1.8L in a 2600lbs car is almost fun), iPod radio, 16" steelies with (hopefully) Dunlops, airbag galore - all that is enough for me to justify the +$2K.
Anyone wants to buy a Z? ;)
xA was $13K, xD is $15K, but xD is definitely $2K better than xA any day (1.8L in a 2600lbs car is almost fun), iPod radio, 16" steelies with (hopefully) Dunlops, airbag galore - all that is enough for me to justify the +$2K.
Anyone wants to buy a Z? ;)
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this is more of a compact then a sub compact... the pricing is very aggressive. and honestly should be compared more to a civic and sentra then a fit or versa...
we'll see when the physical dimensions come out...
we'll see when the physical dimensions come out...
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I'll get these prices into my database over the next few days.
The margin on hte xB is 5 percent. Probably the same with the xD. This would give an invoice price of 13822 with the manual, 14582 with automatic. Add $620 for destination--no dealer margin in it.
The margin on hte xB is 5 percent. Probably the same with the xD. This would give an invoice price of 13822 with the manual, 14582 with automatic. Add $620 for destination--no dealer margin in it.
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Never happen Zoltiz. All of the subcompacts, compacts and most mid sized cars would look like a crushed beer can. None of the auto companies would let the G do that type of test.
They can't handle the truth.
They can't handle the truth.
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Originally Posted by oneslowxa
this is more of a compact then a sub compact... the pricing is very aggressive. and honestly should be compared more to a civic and sentra then a fit or versa...
we'll see when the physical dimensions come out...
we'll see when the physical dimensions come out...
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Originally Posted by SecretAgentMonkey
I agree with you. The price of cars has outpaced inflation. They have gotten better, hence part of the increased cost. Look at the subcompacts these days, Festiva or Fit...what would you rather get into an accident with?
However, if you add so many features to subcompacts that it moves the segment into the next price bracket, then you're kinda defeating the purpose of the segment...small cars lower income people can afford. And now, someone who would have bought a Civic can only afford a Fit...they're only other option would be to *shudder* buy the less expensive domestic!
However, if you add so many features to subcompacts that it moves the segment into the next price bracket, then you're kinda defeating the purpose of the segment...small cars lower income people can afford. And now, someone who would have bought a Civic can only afford a Fit...they're only other option would be to *shudder* buy the less expensive domestic!
I too would love a desireable new car for under $12K, Toyota missed the boat w/Yaris... but I would say that Scion is actually outpacing inflation with the quality of the cars they are now producing.
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Originally Posted by Boxer_Rebellion
Exactly. You can't compare either of the new Scions to base sub-compacts OR compacts from 5 years ago. A more appropriate comparison might be the Mazda Protege 5, which offered alot of bang for the buck in '03 and was $20K new. A well optioned standard Golf or Jetta was over 20 as well. I won't even mention the Focus or PT Cruiser.
I too would love a desireable new car for under $12K, Toyota missed the boat w/Yaris... but I would say that Scion is actually outpacing inflation with the quality of the cars they are now producing.
I too would love a desireable new car for under $12K, Toyota missed the boat w/Yaris... but I would say that Scion is actually outpacing inflation with the quality of the cars they are now producing.
Why are you comparing a car roughly the size of the Fit to a compact car or a German car?
Actually, I blame the people for it. In this must-have society, they'll mortgage their future to buy what they want, not what they need and will pay any price and borrow any amount of money to do so. 2006 was actually the first negative savings hear in the US in like 80 years. Americans spent more than they made. The manufacturers know this and price their products accordingly.
But I digress...sorry for jackin' the thread.
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Blame availability of credit, too. Interest rates low, banks will give credit to anyone just to make some cash on the interest. Wait for the age of repos in the near future.
I'm not really an American, but I did spend about a third of what I made in '06, even counting the mortgage
I'm not really an American, but I did spend about a third of what I made in '06, even counting the mortgage
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Originally Posted by zoltiz
Blame availability of credit, too. Interest rates low, banks will give credit to anyone just to make some cash on the interest. Wait for the age of repos in the near future.
I'm not really an American, but I did spend about a third of what I made in '06, even counting the mortgage
I'm not really an American, but I did spend about a third of what I made in '06, even counting the mortgage
I'm in the real estate biz so I can't speak for "repos", but foreclosures are at an all-time high for this exact reason.
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Individual responsibility is always factor number one. I was just trying to add to the list of the supporting factors. Prices rise when credit becomes more available. Eastern Europe was a perfect example in the last several years. 5 years ago there was no such thing as mortgages or credit - people had to save to pay for a place to live. Fast forward several years - mortgages became available, apartment in the city that used to cost $30K now costs $150K. People have same salaries - the only thing changed was credit.
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I think the xD looks like a heck of alot of car for the money! I saved the window sticker from my xA, as I have every new car I've bought since 1972, and made this observation: if you add everything that is now standard equipment on the xD to the price of the xA, the xA would cost more than the new xD. This is based on the sticker price of my xA;(14,165.00) including delivery and processing fee, then adding the price of side air bags, armrest, keyless remote, cruise control, and i-pod connector to the sticker of the xA to bring the equipment level up to the xD. These options total $2,123.00, (S.E. Toyota distributor prices). This brings the price of the xA to $16,288.00 The new xD is $15,970.00 (automatic model) including delivery and processing fee, vs $16,288.00(automatic model)xA including delivery and processing fee. That makes the xD $318.00 less, with as close to the same equipment as possible. Then factor in that the new xD is larger and more powerful than the xA, and the price seems like an incredible value to me!!!!
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Exactly. You can't compare either of the new Scions to base sub-compacts OR compacts from 5 years ago. A more appropriate comparison might be the Mazda Protege 5, which offered alot of bang for the buck in '03 and was $20K new. A well optioned standard Golf or Jetta was over 20 as well. I won't even mention the Focus or PT Cruiser.
My car with sunroof, leather, ABS, side airbags listed for 18,995. But I bought it about a month before the Mazda3 arrived...and paid $13,400. That's new. Best deal I've ever had on a car, and maybe ever will have.
Now everything else looks terribly expensive;)
