If you actually read my post you would notice that i never said the K20 is to end of all motors, what i said was i believe the K20 is a better platform to build up compared to the 2az. Further more, i have said numerous times both cars are great cars and both cars do have great potential. The only thing i'm saying different is the fact the Si is a better performing car than the tC overall...Also i've said numerous times. You and others pick certain parts of my posts to comment on, rarely does anyone comment on my entire posts.

I would also point out the guy that you are agreeing with said that the Si is more of a true sports compact than the tC. With his words, "These are 2 different cars, i'd compare the TC with it's sc as more of an affordable performance coupe ( think little lexus ), and the SI more of a driver's sports car with a usable back seat." Which used in different words, sums up everything i have been saying. However, you guys see me say "Si is a better performing car with a better platform than the tC" and automatically think i hate the tC, i envy the tC, and i'm a "fan boy". Don't tell me i wish i was saying this because i have been saying the same thing since my first post. Only thing different with what he said and i said is the words used.

 

Here, i'll even quote myself using part of one of my posts.. Just as an example.

Notice i said:
The tC has its high points just as teh Si has its high points. Performance is the Si's high point, comfort is the tC's high point. They are both great cars for the money.

Also will point out the fact i said: Everyone else just see's the Honda badging and automatically assumes the tC should beat it nevermind anything else. Sure, its understanding being everyone here drives a Scion for the most part. and.. Just because i say the Si is a better performing car than the tC is, doesn't mean i'm a "fan boy" or hating the tC.

This is just one post of many where i have pointed out how everyone else is reacting, and point out both cars are great.

 

 

Road and Track's Numbers for a tC are 0-60 in 7.4, 1/4 mile in 15.6
s/c tC, tested by them, 0-60 in 7.2, 1/4 mile is 15.1

 

They must have had a really good driver to pull 15.6 1/4 stock. Average 1/4 so i've seen is around 15.8-16.2sec. Of course, depending upon driver and everything obviously.

 

Thats why I commented it was the best post in the thread. Now I have nothing further to say to you with regards to this topic and respectfully request that you say nothing more to me in this thread. I'm not your Dad, I advise you go look for him to give you some attention.

 

After i show you i've been giving both cars respect you have nothing else to say but insult me and tell me to go visit my father? No, you are not my dad. Unless my dad had me at age three it would be impossible. Which, at age three is pretty impossible to begin with.

People like you give everyone else on this forum a bad name. I've shown both cars respect the entire time, and all i have gotten in return is crap. Good times.

 

 

Okay R2D2, quote an entire post (not just a sentence) of mine that openly put down, i mean flat out put down the tC. Find a post of mine where i say the tC is horrible and has no performance potential at all. Show me.

 

 

Exactly, you can't do it because i never did. Everyone was too busy focusing on the fact i was saying the k20z1 is a better performance platform than the 2az and calling me a fan boy.

 

 

You are R2D2, you can't even show me or anyone else where i openly, falt out put the tC down. So until you prove that i openly hate the tC and i'm bais, .

 

 

I'll keep this post hopefully shorter then my others. Both sides of this have shown their points; and apparently the middle is nowhere to be found. If an SI pulls up to a TC, then hammer down and see what happens from there. Mags can give a reader some nice insight into a car, yet they still have their own opinions... no different then killerx or the rest of the posters here. And those opinions will come thru in the writing. The test results were very similar, yet the mag had a major slant towards one of the cars. That happens all the time. When a mag tested STI vs Evo, they picked the mitsu overall; yet the STi took most performance numbers. GTO & Mustang GT can have comparable numbers, but which one gets all the press?
Maybe the SI vs TC wasn't a good comparison; i'd actually rather have seen an Ion redline, Cobalt SS, TC w/ sc, and maybe even a Mini with sc... so we could have seen some decent numbers for factory blown "affordables". And if the sc for our car is basically a dealer installed option, then no reason it can't be included in a test. If i'm not mistaken ( you can correct me if i'm wrong here ), but the first group of mini's that could get a blower had to have it dealer installed as well. And Ford over the years has enabled buyers of Mustangs to get performance packages that could still be covered by the warranty ( I guess my definition of a factory piece ), such as SVO or Saleen components. And if Honda offers parts from Mugen or whomever thru their dealerships, then so be it.
Well, so much for a short post. All i'd suggest is let the opinions fly, as everyone's entitled; but keep it about the cars--not personal. And though any knowledge i've gained over the years was based in the muscle car era where limitations rarely existed; I've also sold imports ( Mitsu, the german siblings, etc ) that showed how competitive it has gotten where displacement is set, and it's up to an engineer to make it go faster then the competition. Enjoy these great cars that are being built now--they can be as fast or even faster then cars from the 60's/70's, yet start each morning, can be driven in snow, and get better then twice the fuel economy.
alright, i'm done rambling, you guys are all probably sleeping by now.

 

You drive an xB. Go brag about your amazing autocross performance to someone else, because you have no credibility here on any topic. I have to admit, however, that if I ever need lessons on how to pull ____ out of my ___, I'll come to you.

 

Some of you keep bringing that up, but i've stopped talking about me autoxing pages back.. If i even talked about it on here. (don't remember) I won't have any credibility for some of you until i post videos, and i've already talked about this so moving on.

Yes, i drive an xb. And you are using that against me because you don't like what i say? As i've said before, just because i drive a certain car doesn't mean my knowledge stops there. Just because you drive a tC must mean you know nothing about any other car.

 

man..this scionlife site gets nasty...i just wanted to praise killerxromances and basstrack for havin an open mind about this subject...looks to me like this site is filled with a buncha tC owners in denial that an Si can outperform a tC. Its no denying that the tC is a great car when it comes to modifying it with your taste...but it doesnt compare anything with the Si when it comes to performance. having the oppportunity to test drive both cars, i picked the Si because of its performance, potential with aftermarkets, and its handling capability. Its a very comfortable car also. For those who are bashing on the Si, i bet more than 80% of you have NOT test driven the Si so you have no right to bash on it. I believe that your only bashing on it because of its badge without the experience of driving it.

R2D2...you have GOT to be the most stubborn person on earth...i wish i can meet you on a red light or on a track so i can shut your mouth when u see the back of my Si...

for basstrack...youre right when u say to respect each others cars...everyone has their own likes and dislikes to a car and thats why mostly everyone here chose the tC/scion and i chose the Si...so at least respect that and everyones opinion.

 

Well said. Although you drive an Si, if you are interested in any of the models of Scion you are always welcome to hang around. Theres a few people on the forums with acura's and honda's.

It's good to see at least three (including myself) that actually view the entire picture. You are correct, 80% of people bashing the Si probably has not test driven the Si and bash it just because of the honda name without knowing anything else about it...or honda in general for that matter. Which is what i said i think on the last page or page before.

Thanks for the kind words towards me, and again, if you are interested at all within Scion don't be a stranger.

 

Sheesh Don't you guys understand? No one here is saying a Si can not out perform a tC. What we are saying is an Si can not out perform the supercharged tC.
The majority of us are upset on how they mis represented the supercharged tC and the price of the tC in general by thier totally lop sided comparison of the 2 vehicles.

Then captain fuktard comes in: "Blah blah blah, yah the civic si has a k series in it blah blah blah, and even out performs a s/c tC."

And he adds some way off numbers to downplay the s/c tC while he is at it.
Namely the lil blurp about a s/c tC with no mods puts down 185 whp. Wich i haven't seen any dynos to prove that. and all of the dynos (including bone stock tc with the supercharger) all @ 190+ whp on the dynos.

Basic math with the power to weight ratios, and knowledge of the gearing of both cars totally puts the supercharged tC in favor over the 2 vehicles.

Sorry to say. The LSD is nice, but doesn't make up for having a 60+ ft/lb deficit in torque and almost 30 whp.

Then they throw in "The civic is lighter!".... yah by like 25 lbs......