XM and Sirius to combine forces!
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GetCaughtDead... you're an awful debater. I agree with what your saying in this thread but you're so unnecessarily vicious that your point was hard to see through all the undeserved comments to dgHotLava. Debate your side, don't call names and insult someone's intelligence like you have. Your posts a unbelievable and your point is lost within your nastiness.
It's okay that we all have different opinions. If you have any interest in changing hers, verbally bullying her into it, or anyone else, is not the way to do it.
It's okay that we all have different opinions. If you have any interest in changing hers, verbally bullying her into it, or anyone else, is not the way to do it.
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Originally Posted by Shogun
You, like a lot of people, keep arguing to finer details to call this a monopoly. Oh no, the company will be a monopoly in the satellite radio, commercial-free music but not the talk stations, that can be listened to at home or in the car, and have black hand held receivers, Mel Karmazin is going to be the CEO of only this company, and whatever other detail you want to throw in there to call it a monopoly.
Music distribution. When the FCC said Xirius could not be formed, downloading songs, the iPod, and "advanced civilization" was just in its infancy (with the exception of advanced civilization seeing as how we have new inventions EVERY year). What the FCC saw was free radio and subscribtion radio. It was not a crowded market like it is now with so many distribution options for music.
AND, just so everyone knows, XM and Sirius are not the ONLY satellite radio providers. Granted, they are the only ones in North America, but that means that if Xirius merges and tries to screw the consumers, another provider can sweep in and compete and get the business. Because XM and Sirius can barely exist together, how would a 3rd company be able to compete?
There is no reason this merger has to be bad for consumers. Xirius would have NO reason to raise the subscription. They do not make money because of subscriptions. They make money because of the advertisements on the non-music stations. If they can get a reasonable market share of radio listeners (yes, 14 million satellite radio vs. about 250 million free radio listeners) instead of dividing it in half with each other, bigger companies will spend more money for the advertisements. Just like free over-the-air TV, the money is made in commercials to provide the service for free.
Now, what seems more reasonable, let two civilization advancing companies go bankrupt and the consumer loses because of the hardware cost and possibly if they bought a lifetime subscription; or let two companies combine to have a whole 5% of the market share and either be successful and consumers are happy or try to screw the customer which will go to any of the many alternatives and thusly, sinking satellite radio and exercising the fact that we, as a people, let companies exist?
Music distribution. When the FCC said Xirius could not be formed, downloading songs, the iPod, and "advanced civilization" was just in its infancy (with the exception of advanced civilization seeing as how we have new inventions EVERY year). What the FCC saw was free radio and subscribtion radio. It was not a crowded market like it is now with so many distribution options for music.
AND, just so everyone knows, XM and Sirius are not the ONLY satellite radio providers. Granted, they are the only ones in North America, but that means that if Xirius merges and tries to screw the consumers, another provider can sweep in and compete and get the business. Because XM and Sirius can barely exist together, how would a 3rd company be able to compete?
There is no reason this merger has to be bad for consumers. Xirius would have NO reason to raise the subscription. They do not make money because of subscriptions. They make money because of the advertisements on the non-music stations. If they can get a reasonable market share of radio listeners (yes, 14 million satellite radio vs. about 250 million free radio listeners) instead of dividing it in half with each other, bigger companies will spend more money for the advertisements. Just like free over-the-air TV, the money is made in commercials to provide the service for free.
Now, what seems more reasonable, let two civilization advancing companies go bankrupt and the consumer loses because of the hardware cost and possibly if they bought a lifetime subscription; or let two companies combine to have a whole 5% of the market share and either be successful and consumers are happy or try to screw the customer which will go to any of the many alternatives and thusly, sinking satellite radio and exercising the fact that we, as a people, let companies exist?
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Originally Posted by Jenna
GetCaughtDead... you're an awful debater. I agree with what your saying in this thread but you're so unnecessarily vicious that your point was hard to see through all the undeserved comments to dgHotLava. Debate your side, don't call names and insult someone's intelligence like you have. Your posts a unbelievable and your point is lost within your nastiness.
It's okay that we all have different opinions. If you have any interest in changing hers, verbally bullying her into it, or anyone else, is not the way to do it.
It's okay that we all have different opinions. If you have any interest in changing hers, verbally bullying her into it, or anyone else, is not the way to do it.
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Originally Posted by Shogun
Originally Posted by Shogun
There is no reason this merger has to be bad for consumers. Xirius would have NO reason to raise the subscription. They do not make money because of subscriptions. They make money because of the advertisements on the non-music stations. If they can get a reasonable market share of radio listeners (yes, 14 million satellite radio vs. about 250 million free radio listeners) instead of dividing it in half with each other, bigger companies will spend more money for the advertisements. Just like free over-the-air TV, the money is made in commercials to provide the service for free.
they are going to keep both platforms for the next 10 years minimum...(the sats have a minimum 15 year life span...and the current hardware owned by the subscribers are forcing this). no savings here..
your only savings from the merger will be from some staff reductions. and maybe not owning a building or two anymore. how much can that save?
they would not get rid of their big draws (you know who they are), so that means they will still have the big paychecks to deliver.
as both companies are strapped financially, they only solution to get more funding is from raising rates.
the other way to get more funding, is to create a new service that can use the existing equipment (or parts of it). and charge for a new service.
i am waiting for someone that can detail how these two companies will merge and reduce the cost of providing the service.
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Originally Posted by dgHotLava
i am waiting for someone that can detail how these two companies will merge and reduce the cost of providing the service.
Just like it was said earlier, if you have rabbit ears, you can get free TV, but it is really the advertisers who pay the bill. The difference being anyone with a TV (within transmitter distance) can get the signal so that is a HUGE potential market for advertisers. They will put their money where they think they can get a return. The question is, they can get 200+ million on free radio, so why would they care about 6 or 8 million? They will not until they see 14+ million subscribers, especially if those subscribers are like me and have not listened to terrestrial radio since I got Sirius 2 years ago and currently have XM now as well.
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ok, i was thinking of how i use sat radio...comercial free stations only...
i too have not listened to terrestrial since i bought my unit.
the reasons i don't listen to terrestrial any more, the comercials and poor programming.
i just don't think sat radio will ever get the big dollar advertising income. the broadcasting area is too large and not focused enough. i can't see this as the savior to sat radio in the future.
i guess it works on the other side too...the money 1 company would spend is less than the 2 currently do.
interesting to see what happens.
i too have not listened to terrestrial since i bought my unit.
the reasons i don't listen to terrestrial any more, the comercials and poor programming.
i just don't think sat radio will ever get the big dollar advertising income. the broadcasting area is too large and not focused enough. i can't see this as the savior to sat radio in the future.
i guess it works on the other side too...the money 1 company would spend is less than the 2 currently do.
interesting to see what happens.
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Originally Posted by foxSCION
NE1 know if the merger went thru? I'm lost now.. 
Corporate mergers takes months and sometimes years to happen. There has to be a lot of filing with the government and then writing out 10-20 page plans for how the merge will happen, who will own what, exit strategies, etc. Expect to hear very little, if anything, until roughly August or September.
I sure would love a break for people who have both services.
If not I will have to go to Sirius only.
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Originally Posted by foxSCION
NE1 know if the merger went thru? I'm lost now..
now there is a waiting period. other groups determine if this is legal and a good move for the consumers.
after that wait (45-60 days)...then they can layout their plan to merge.
so, no. it is not done yet.
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I haven't had XM since I bought the xB... until 5 minutes from now when I activate my receiver. Welcome back to Sat Radio ME!!
I think I lose more brain cells every minute I listen to random announcer dribble on terrestrial radio. I don't know how many times I will scan through all 12 presets on my Scion radio and find NOTHING but commercials or talk.
It's good to be home.
I think I lose more brain cells every minute I listen to random announcer dribble on terrestrial radio. I don't know how many times I will scan through all 12 presets on my Scion radio and find NOTHING but commercials or talk.
It's good to be home.
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How will they save money? By deleting content.
"Beyond Jazz" XM72 has already mentioned that their channel is in jepordy due to budget cut.
A very special station, nothing else on Sirus or XM is like it. If it goes, I and my 3 accounts go as well.
"Beyond Jazz" XM72 has already mentioned that their channel is in jepordy due to budget cut.
A very special station, nothing else on Sirus or XM is like it. If it goes, I and my 3 accounts go as well.
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Originally Posted by losmorob
How will they save money? By deleting content.
"Beyond Jazz" XM72 has already mentioned that their channel is in jepordy due to budget cut.
A very special station, nothing else on Sirus or XM is like it. If it goes, I and my 3 accounts go as well.
"Beyond Jazz" XM72 has already mentioned that their channel is in jepordy due to budget cut.
A very special station, nothing else on Sirus or XM is like it. If it goes, I and my 3 accounts go as well.
most of the redundant channels (60's, 70's, 80's....) are almost fully automated so it is not a huge savings.
even if there are DJ's, they are low level paid employees. even if you get rid of half, thats a few hundred thousand to companies losing millions...
it is a start, but not the saving grace..
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