your problem is not your gearing...its that your car is a frickin box . I DO like xBs but their coefficient of drag is garbage lol

 

its really because i start with only 108HP :-P

my old Ford Focus was geared a whole lot better. 5th gear at 70 was around 2700.

the TC wasnt avalable when i got my xB. i had a quick car. a slower car through the mountains is more fun :-)

what about that tranny that came out with the last gen MR2 with the Clutchless manual? would that fit anything? i dont hear much about it.

 

their is also a thread on the drag coefficients on all the scion vehicles. the xB held up better then most cars above its class.

 

jeez, not another 6spd thread. it's not going to happen.

 

so much wind in my tC when i just CRACK my window. they should have designed scion cars with better aero...=\

 

how r u gonna compare a corvette to a tc?? you have power in every gear no matter what rpm your sitting in even if it doesnt rev high like the tc, american cars are made way different + the corvettes first 2 gears are long to take advantage of the long TQ curve... on a tc you dont that kind of power off the line.... fall back dude...

 

^he should have read ur sig! LOL

 

Wait, what? How are YOU making any of that relevant? It's a legitimate rebuttal to what you said.

You: 6 speed gearboxes are only for high-revving cars.
Him: Corvette's have 6 speed transmissions and only rev up to 7k RPM.
Me: The Firebird WS6 has a 6 speed transmission and only revs to about that much, too.

 

again... 2 RWD cars with HP and TQ in just about every gear compared to a FWD car which makes TQ in about half the rpm... not to mention v8 vs v4... how about you compare something in the same cylinder count.

 

and just in case theyre thinking of evos and sti's they has turboz and its not the same

 

BTW genius what car are we talking about that has a V4

Its not a manual, but until I find better proof since the corvette wasnt good enough heres this http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/05...al-world-test/

here you go, redline of 7500, which isnt necessarily all that low ...but not something (civic si or whatev) that you knew about. So stop saying your way or no way

"In June 2006 the sales of the third generation Clio Renault Sport started in France for the price of €23000. The Clio Renault Sport is equipped with a new naturally aspirated 16-valve 2.0 L engine based on the earlier version used in the second generation Clio Renaultsport and a 6-speed gearbox. The engine develops 197 PS (145 kW) at 7250 rpm. The top speed is 215 km/h (134 mph) and 0-100 km/h takes 6.9 seconds."
from wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Clio

heres a better site
http://www.rsportscars.com/renault/2...-renaultsport/

 

heres a V-4. a sexy one too. mmmmm

 

v4 = same as 4 cylinder everyone here knows what i meant about that dont act smart thinking u got me there homie.

here just for comparisons sake since u wana go all out (even non US for u brining the clio).... 7500 rpm redline on your typical B18 LS motor which is a TQy motor also like ours but only revs to about 7-7500k or hey why not another motor like the d15 or d16's.. yet another 4 cylinder that revs to about 7k or 7500 but its only a 1.5/1.6 depending on the model.. all of which are good motors in the 4 cylinder class with 5 speed manuals... lets also not even forget the base model rsx which is a 5spd and revs to 6800 with a 2.L 4 cylinder

would you like me to go on.. or stop here... or go into gearing dynamics and power ratios... LMK its a slow day at work bro

 

there is no point in agruing with a person that was disproved repeatedly and still wont admit that their extremist statement, while valid in a lot of cases, is not always true

BTW what you dont seem to understand, is that I am not trying to say that a 6spd is necessarily better, but YOU said it wouldnt work...but I guess the laws of physics are different in Europe so nevermind...

 

hey mcfly can you quote me where i say it wouldnt work??.... you can quote me saying its useless unless we rev'd higher to take advantage of the gearing. also how was i disproved? all you mention were big HP/TQ cars that had almost half the Liters or cylinders more then our cars. where is the rebutle? where is your case? where is the disproof? where is your brain?... atleast i stayed close in comparison but you jumped off a cliff onto another planet...

BTW the motors i mention are motors currently used in the USDM market.. no where did i mention anything EURO for comparison and neither should you either. again you cant even get a motor to compare ours with within the same continent??? cmon man.. u can google stuff easier then that.

so wow thats like a triple failure for you in one bounce...

thats for the trifecta of FAILs... its been a while since i got one of those.. have a nice day...

 

the best way to see for yourself is get the ps3 with NFS prostreet, gear the car to your specs and "BAMMN" thats exactly why toyota did it 5 speed, who would have thought.

 

Ummm.....So correct me if I'm wrong but I dont think Japan is part of the US. Yes, some tCs are made in kentucky, but the motor was designed in ASIA. BTW you set no such parameters. You said "6spd is only good on cars that can rev really high," which is a very broad and incorrect statement. DUDE I am NOT saying a tC would better off with a close range 6 spd. I was merely saying that there are plenty of cars that dont rev high but utilize 6 speed transmissions very effictively (VIPER best example i can think of lol). Additionally, most of the people that say that they want a 6spd on here dont want it for a performance bonus, they want an additional higher gear to get better highway mileage. But it would never be worth the hassle of swapping it. If toyota had done such a thing from the factory it would've been sick. And it would be with the same goal as the afore mentioned Corvette. You have 5 performance gears and 1 relatively high overdrive for really good highway mileage. It will just be on a smaller scale as the tC doesnt have the torque for such long gearing.

 

the new xb and the tc have the same drag coef

 

that is not all that unbelievable, wanna know something hilarious...2008 Viper COD is .43, lol thats one reason why it gets such garbage for mileage. But...it has a bunch of downforce generated which makes it higher...
Still a C6 Corvette is like .29 and thus is capable of getting like 30+ hwy mpg

 

yep lol want to see a high drag coef the gumpert its way high way way high lol