SOOOOOOOOOUND CLLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIPPP

 

Yes I demand a sound clip

 

that thing looks sweet, i called hks today and they said that the carbon ti would not be available in this so just the polished which looks awesome anyway, also, get a pic from straight back about ten or fifteen feet away

 

For the love....please...someone...........sound....clip...

 

Is it 2.5"??????????

 

If anyone records a video clip (you can use most digital cameras these days for this) or a sound clip, I will gladly host it on our webserver and publish a link on this thread for anyone to view or hear. It won't be a bandwidth regulated clip either; being that we own all of our own web and media servers and have them colocated in Silicon Valley, we control the access our own server and regulate bandwidth how we see fit.

 

all this catback ____ is making me mad. catback is a waste of money hks, dc, and all these big companies are seeing the error of companies that made catbacks for the tc... geuss what the gains are the exact same from a axle back and a catback. holy moley batman can that effin mean that the mid pipe isnt that restrictive to begin with??????! why yes. axle backs are cheaper to produce and ship so there you have it this car doesnt need the catback. effin morons why dont you call hks, and dc or even injen and ask them the gain difference of cat and axle on the tc... like i did and they will tell you the same

 

.....and you believe everything that these companies tell you to be 100% true? They are running a business, its their job to sell you thier products. Do you really believe that a company will tell if another product is better than theirs? Your the effin moron if you believe everything that your told. The truth of the matter is that overall, cat back systems provide higher hp gains that axel backs.

 

It sounds like you think there's some sort of conspiracy going on between all of the major, highly reputable, proven manufacturers that produce quality parts for nearly every make and model in the import industry...?

Anyway, to the heart of your post...
What you say is true - in some cases, cat-back systems do provide higher gains than axel back. However, the term "axel-back" is becoming more and more misconstrued. Many of the vehicle manufacturers these days are developing exhaust systems that consist of more than one catalytic converter. Cat-back implies that all the piping in the exhaust system would be replaced from the catalytic converter by the down pipe all the way to the rear of the vehicle, including the muffler. However, with multiple catalytic converters being positioned in various places throughout the exhaust system, some directly before or at the rear axle, and critical oxygen sensor or exhaust temperature data being fed to the ECU of the vehicle from these areas, how can you expect these aftermarket companies to manufacture unexpensive, bolt-on exhausts that will eliminate these catalytic converters and still allow the vehicle to run properly without additional tuning. Moreover, with these manufacturers striving now more than ever to produce products that are CARB exempt and 50 state legal, you can kiss the idea of eliminating a catalytic converter goodbye. So what are we left with? An "axle-back" exhaust, an exhaust that runs from the last catalytic converter in the stock system all the way back and still produces nominal results for as little an investment as possible. Put that description in perspective, and you're still left with a cat-back system, just with a little less piping and staying within emissions guidlines (which is ultimately a good thing, regardless of how much we all hate it).

It's not like these "rear section" exhausts cost $1,000.00 or take 3 hours to install; they are quick, effective, and affordable solutions to a CARB OE battle. And products such as these provide modifiers that aren't interested in investing large amounts of time or money into their vehicles with quality parts that produce a degree of performance along with tasteful sound & style.

Of coarse, there are going to be those that feel this type of exhaust system isn't worth the money and would rather have a shop build a custom system or wait for a "new-breed manufacturer" to come up with something off-the-wall, but those people are usually the ones that have a second vehicle to go to work in and pick up the kids with, people that don't have to worry about periods of downtime for modifying and customizing.

 

 

very nice, in the next two weeks, im getting the carbon ti muffler and getting a custom exhaust shop to do the piping from the axel back for just 30 bucks, the muffler costs 375, since i have a black sand pearl, i just don't want the shiny can to be exposed so that is why i am going carbon ti, should be a close sound of what you guys are getting or extremely close. I will post pics when i can but like i said should be about two or three weeks.

 

I will be joining the HKS exhaust club soon. my HKS is on the UPS truck now.

 

While I pretty much agree with your post 100%, I think you misunderstood me when I was talking in my post about businesses not telling 100% of the truth. What I was trying to convey was that if a company had an axel back system, not a cat back, and didnt (want/have the time/have the money) to put in all of the R&D to manufacture such a product which would work properly, they might simply tell someone that an axel back would work just as good. This might be true, it might not be, but the main point of my post was that people believe way too much of what they hear. Look at the Turbonator for example. It claims up to 60 hp (or something like that)with an electric fan, and some people actually believe it. I say show me the dyno, which I expect to see for every performance mod that I would buy. Pretty much every reputable company dynos their products, and would gladly supply this information to a customer.

 

damn jrv2000, you just got fryed!!!!!!

 

look under your car, that midpipe is almost totally straight, I dont see it being restrictive at all, s-pipe probably, but not the middle pipe.

 

....and how did I exactly get fried? I agreed with him, axel backs give you minimal preformance gains with the minimum ammount of money spent. A cat back as he stated would probably give higher gains, but is more costly, and required more R&D so you arn't throwing any CEL's.

 

it's not just the piping size that contribute to the restriction. some if not, most of the restriction from midpipe will probably be cause by the cat converter.

 

thats exactly right

 

catback/mufflers are only good for turbos when it comes to any type of gains over 5whp since the engine and turbos need to breath to perform better.

.On a N/A engine you are getting a farts difference. Period. I don't care if it is a catback, on a NA engine an exhaust system alone can't give you more then 2-5whp if that. I am being very generous on saying those numbers.

On turbos its a whoooooole different story....

 

www.creativecompacts.com - 12whp 9ft/lbs, full 2.5" stainless exhaust. There's your 2-5whp.