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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 02:31 PM
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I would break in at least 500 miles on any clutch.

And yes, the Stage 4 is VERY streetable - it's what I have and I drive in Miami traffic a several times a week.

It grabs like a ****.
Old Sep 11, 2008 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Meaty
I'm still undecided between the CC stage 3 or CC stage 4. I'd prefer the drivability of the disc style stage 3, but I keep hearing different opinions on how much tq it's good for, as I'm currenlty close to 300tq. I just think the stage 3 would be more dialy drivable then the puck style stage 4, mainly because there is a ramp with a gate at work, and I sit on my clutch and gas on the ramp as I punch in my code to open the gate...
Kevlar is fire man, it's smooth and awesome on the street. Can use it for racing, but just not recommended for burn out because it degrades life of disc. Puck style, well, ask Paul at Dezod about it, he drove one for a few weeks daily and he and some others that have chimed in said it was ok depending on the driving you were doing. Feel free to ask any more questions.

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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by tcengel
Question for you comp clutch guys. I just purchased the stage IV through dezod. Is there a break in time for this clutch?
500miles is recommended, however, truth be known, a little less wouldn't kill you on a ceramic puck style clutch. On an Organic, IT'S A MUST. RULE OF LIFE. If you don't break in Organics properly you will loose every benefit including the life span of the clutch.

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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Meaty
ace...when I was only pushing 250hp (i'd guess around 230tq) I would slip on any decent launch...the stock will deffinalty NOT hold 230.

pete...I thought only the S3 had the break in, not the S4...and could you do me a favor and see how that hill is if you modulate with the clutch and gas instead of the break?
My problem is if I use the break, I may roll back slighty as I'm engageing, and there is ALWAYS some JERK who pulls right up on my rear waiting to get in...
Stage3 as well as Stage2 will require break in as they are Organic. Stage4 could use one and see one of my last posts for explanation. Thanks for letting me know on the stock not being able to hold up.

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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 02:49 PM
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Great thead byt the way. Thanks for all the info.
Old Sep 11, 2008 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by tcengel
Great thead byt the way. Thanks for all the info.
Quite welcome. I really wanted to be able to put my finger on the pulse of what you tC guys are doing with clutches and flywheels.

Competition Clutch and Dezod would like to grow with you guys as you advance in your power/tq capabilities and determine which fits which application the best.

I do appreciate all of your input and help. Thanks guys, I will be around here most days so hit me or Paul up if you need.

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Old Sep 16, 2008 | 02:02 AM
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I had a Clutchmasters FX400 4-puck in my car when I made around 250ft-lbs at the wheels (on a dyno dynamics). I drove my car in a lot of stop-n-go traffic and opened it up everytime traffic dissapeared, and on top of that went drag racing this summer. Well, it finally died on me when I got retuned last month. On my last pull on the dyno the sprung assembly failed and my car didn't go into any gear; the car makes 60ft-lbs more torque from the original tune. For a performance junky like myself, the puck clutch didn't phase me in terms of drivability, although I can tell you the pedal pressure is def more than stock and launching the car is tricky if trying to go slow. This clutch lasted for almost 8 months. Failure points below:







I now have a Clutchmasters FX300, the carbon kevlar one, that has a lot smoother engagement and after a long tedious 500 mile break-in period, I can tell you handles the power I make with no problem. I really didn't want to go away from a puck clutch, but my tuner convinced me this clutch is more than up to the task. I can now drive around like a normal person and if the need arises open her up a little... okay a lot.
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holy hell, you worked that one well enough. glad you got something new.

Look us up next time you need a part for your car .

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Old Sep 16, 2008 | 01:56 PM
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B real and others... i have a question on your stage 4 from compestion clutch.. near the 500 mile break in... did engagment in first become very smooth and alot easier as the break in period was over.. im at 450 miles now and its defenitely alot smoother of an engagement going into first then when i had 10 miles...
Old Sep 16, 2008 | 02:05 PM
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bigAl...you had a S4, it only lasted 8 months, so you replaced it with a S3? Doesn't that mean this one will last you less then 8 months?
Old Sep 16, 2008 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Meaty
bigAl...you had a S4, it only lasted 8 months, so you replaced it with a S3? Doesn't that mean this one will last you less then 8 months?
It honestly depends on his use of the clutch. True, ceramic would be tougher and technically last longer, the kevlar, should be take care of it, would actually last a little longer, have a better feel, but would have a lower tq capacity in most cases.

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Old Sep 16, 2008 | 11:04 PM
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Quite honestly, the pictures show failure points that you can most certainly point at bad metallurgy - the picture below actually shows the clutch disc. The ceramic doesn't even look worn. I decided instead of having a clutch that can handle 500ft-lbs of torque, I would try one that can handle 390 ft-lbs of torque; still well over what I am making and I don't plan on building my motor any time soon to go over that figure. All the while, improve the drivability of the car since it is a daily driver. But I also heard a lot of good things about these carbon kevlar clutches. So instead of being ignorant to the fact, I went and got one and now you guys can have my 2 cents on my experience with it - which by the way is fantastic.

Chris H., I will keep you guys in mind. Those twin disc setups are sexy!

Old Sep 16, 2008 | 11:57 PM
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Chris H., I will keep you guys in mind. Those twin disc setups are sexy!

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They are aren't they? I can't wait for someone to take one of those damn things down the track. I am drooling for someone's timeslip with that thing.

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Old Sep 23, 2008 | 06:53 PM
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Anyone else want to show me whatchu got?
Old Sep 30, 2008 | 12:09 PM
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No more questions about us? Come one guys....someone here is curious....
Old Oct 22, 2008 | 03:20 PM
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next....?
Old Oct 22, 2008 | 04:01 PM
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OK...I don't think this was answered fully...but how much TQ can your stage 3 handle daily?
Old Oct 22, 2008 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Meaty
OK...I don't think this was answered fully...but how much TQ can your stage 3 handle daily?
I don't have "math" numbers on me right now, so I would have to say that it's going to be around the 350ish mark. It will also depend on how you abuse the car you know?
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right...i'm currently at about 300 and don't really track it, but i can't launch off the line cause my stock clutch will slip...I just dont' want to go with a puck style...
Old Oct 22, 2008 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Meaty
right...i'm currently at about 300 and don't really track it, but i can't launch off the line cause my stock clutch will slip...I just dont' want to go with a puck style...
ask around about my puck clutch and see what everyone seems to think of it. Apparently it's ok engagement wise. Either way, if you want to do a Stage 3 are you referring to the Kevlar? Or the Iron? Either way, I have to know because it's a matter of break in and capability depending on what you want to do with it. Ya dig?



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