Who cares!

GSC, take an Alphawerks + ZPI/CC S-pipe and compare to MMW race header. Problem solved.

Now how do you like dem apples? :D

 

hi angry.. im not against seeing what each part will do... im all for testing the headers with and "additional" s-pipe for those that did not come with one... what im just saying is that lets take your example...

Alphawerks header = +10hp
Alphawerks header + S Pipe = + 20hp (this is not what you get in the kit.)

compared to..

MMW + S-Pipe = +15hp

yes.. i would say that the MMW header "kit" is the better one.. simply because when you get the box at home and you install it.. you will get +10 HP with the alphawerks kit and +15 with the MMW kit.. i understand that the individual parts can be tested...and maybe the Alphawerk will produce more HP with other addon's as with maybe the larger s-pipe.... but the whole point of these tests in my opinion is to see which "OUT OF THE BOX" part makes the most HP.... and if out of the box included an s-pipe then that is "Out Of the BOX".... unfortunatley.. there is not way to JUST test the MMW header since the factory s-pipe will not work...

but i do understand you guys point..!!

 

its all applesauce

 

it's funny because you go to some performance sites and they're talking about differences of 50-75hp for mods then you come here and we're talking about 3

 

Agreed. I installed a GReddy BCC and I drilled one small hole in a VSV on my Supra and got 40 hp, even with the stock cats and completely OEM exhaust. I wish I could do the same with the tC. It's so much easier when the engine comes from the factory with turbos installed.

 

Not to be a johnny-come-lately here, but is it just me or is the MMW header base dyno extremely low? I baseline dynoed 139hp, is there dyno non-corrected whp? And to add to the discussion, sure the MMW adds 15whp with the s-pipe, but last I heard it was going to cost around $800. Where the alphawerks/DC gets 10-11 for under $300. Add a $200 s-pipe from ZPI or CC and you've roughly the same hp for less $$ If I have an info here wrong feel free to correct me.

 

I went with the ZPI s-pipe, AW header (should be in soon). I have the TRD exhaust. The plan is to swap the mid pipe with 2.5" and a resonator. I believe Jegs here in town has a dyno so I will get it dyno'd as soon as possible as I believe the S-pipe is making some of the difference.

 

Come on guys just for giggles???

 

that is funny!!

 

this is great! thanks!

 

yeah we can do that no problem - i was just unsure if that is exactly what you were asking to see - we will see if we can get it knocked out sometime next week

 

Where did you get 10hp from a S Pipe? thats a lot... tell which one, because the spipes that i know increase only 2-4 hp at most... WOW 10hp from a Spipe... I want one of those...

 

People, you need to remember that MMW is quality, because it does not show the CEL, thats for me says a lot. Meaning that it does not "hurt" the engine. (do not missunderstand "hurt")

 

phht yeah my engine is so "hurt" from my alphawerks + antifouler mod

 

i mean that you need a antifouler or Sim card to hide the CEL. That means that your engine is not working appropiately, and with the MMW header you dont have this problem. (im not an expert as matty-tC or other guys in the Scionlife population, but it is my opinion)

 

all the antifoulers do is reduce the oxygen seen by the o2 sensor on the s-pipe

all the sims do is reduce the voltage sent to the ecu from the o2 sensor

2 ways to keep the sensor within tolerances

 

read it again - only this time read ALL the words.

 

this will be very very interesting. i am following this thread.

 

I just installed the header/s-pipe and I do throw a CEL. I have no other mods....I'm going to add an CAI (Saturday) and exhaust (whenever get the chance after CC.com ships...I'm thinking next week is when I'll get ti)

The CEL code I'm getting is P0420, Cat running under efficiency or something like that. Hopefully, a CAI will help cool down the air in the exhaust a little and help fix it :/

MMW's response, "it's weird...some tC's do it, other's don't....we're confused about it as well."

Btw, these very headers came from another member that DID NOT throw a CEL....go figure :\

 

Thats not going to happen. You need an anti fouler or sim