Roughly, how much performance can you gain with DC 4-2-1 header, short ram air intake (or TRD drop-in filter with stock system) and trd exhaust all together? I know CAI is good but also they have a lot of problems in long run. Any other suggestions to increase house power (except for supercharger, cause I don't have that kind of money for the upgrade yet) Thanks!

 

s-pipe

 

How can a CAI have long term effects? if anything short ram would not the CAI. You could probably get a pully ( aside from what the pros/cons are on them) or maybe even a short throw. I know the short throw will not increase performance, however make your shifts quiker and therfore have better times.

 

You lose 1hp if you add the kn drop in filter, check out the recent intake dynos, you are much better off with an Injen Cold Air, as for exhaust, any axle back will give around 5hp or so, and a header will make your turd exhaust sound like a bumble bee civic. If you want cheap power go n2o.

 

im sorry but PULLEY's are worser then intakes.... its already been proven those pulleys damage your engine; harmonic balance....

just to let you know all aftermarket headers will eventually break... except expensive ones such as Mugen's and many other 800 dollars or above headers... <--those expensive ones are built differently than the ones that are 400 dollars or less....

the whole I/H/E set-up is pretty much complete with the NA engine.... at that point you might as well get better suspension... (coil overs, struts, torque damper, etc.)

IMO after setting up I/H/E, grab a new Emanage and ZEX Nitrous System.... an upgraded ECU will help your aftermaket parts work better (especially INTAKEs, such as weapon-r).... as for ZEX Nitrous System, get a wet system..... 75 shots of n2o will last you for about 20 rounds at the drag strip... <---just dont abuse it....

run mobil1 oil, or any synthetic oil too

guess what??? all of these things equal out to a SC or ZPI stage 0 turbo hahaha

 

I went K&N CAI but nothing wrong with a short ram. They growl more. The S-pipe is also important. I as many who have done I/H/E seem to all put around 155 HP and up to 160 FPT to the ground.
Personally I have never had a header break but I suppose some day a weld may go. I do agree that a Emanage on a NA set up could yield some more power but know one I know or have read of has tweaked NA with one. It would be nice if a company could come up with a universal flash for our ECU based on the general results of high flow NA. It would be more affordable that way.

 

I/H/E is not a complete NA build. After that you'll need a good port and polish job, replaced valve train components, high compression pistons (assuming you don't want a supercharger or a turbocharger) and some other stuff I'm sure.

To be sure, after getting the complete bolt-on kit, tuning will net a few more hp. But it might be better to wait for some serious internal work before tuning.. tuning with bolt ons is a little wasteful.

Pulleys are not worser than intakes. They're worse than intakes. Wink.

 

U want a nice N/A car... wait till next year... some new stuff hitting the market...



Intake Mani...


If you get a nice 4/1 header, Injen CAI, Intake Mani, Ported TB, ZPI Stage 1 head job, s-pipe, and a full exhaust (high flow)

Im willing to bet numbers close to S/C tc's

 

I was thinking the same thing. Then I spoke with ZPI and they said you should get the emange with the head to actually get the power we are thinking. At that point it started looking like more hassle since no one has done it yet to see if a NA can hit 215ish FLYwheel HP.

 

I bet it can...

and yea I would get a piggyback at least... to tune it to get its full potinal... I think it can get 220whp with all that and tuned to perfection... we will see....

 

sorry for the dumb question guys but what is Emanage, intake manifold why would you want an s pipe what is its purpose?

 

s-pipe is the pipe between the header and the midpipe... its very restrictive.

Emange is by greddy its a piggy back system that you attach to your wiring and you can adjust a/f along with alot of other stuff. Intake Manifold is the part your CAI attaches to... Ours are cast and they have given out on 150 shot of Nitrous.

 

Don't forget ITB's for those N/A set up's. Those would be *******. Thinking about ITB's on a tC makes me skeet skeet. I need new pants now. LOL

 

Yea but currently no ones planning it... we are talking about parts that are out...

Also can get the new pistons 11.5.1 I think it is...

 

an Emanage is similar to a camcom VVTI controller??? i think emanage has more options...

this would be nice to get
http://www.hopupracing.com/poencforvv.html

 

Wasnt there a post a wild back that somebody was having problems with the Camcom VVTI controller? I don't remember if he got it resolved or not.

 

in regards to the k&n drop-in filter losing hp, it looks like it gained power throughout the powerband, though it's hard to see because the graphs are on different scales. I'd rather gain power throughout the powerband than gain peak power.

 

Similar in the way they both are piggy back but the emange can do alot more

 

ok sorry if i sound rude or anything ..but i just wanted to know where you got your info on what you stated above? is there any proof that ..ie a alphawerks WILL break and that a MUGEN header wont...i think you should rephrase that and make it a IMO...alot of un-experienced tuners on this site might take your opinion as dead hard evidence thus turning them away from the tuning experience(sp?)...

another thing....i know N/A we cant flow a 3" inch exhaust....but what if ...longer runner headers were available...long runners meaning that they would connect to a cat-back exhaust maybe by the front axle....longer...a little wider....and coupled with a lets say 2.8" str8 thru mandrel and clean bent cat-back....IMO this will probly show a little more gains then the normal header/spipe/exh due to more free flowing exhaust...you would probly have to sacrifice 4-5tq...but gaining 10+hp would be worth it....also something with this setup that might not be the best would be sound....i know it would be loud...and im not sure how much rasp there would be with thtat much of a free flowing system..it could be alot...or could be minimal...basically ill be the one testing these things out...thats my future setup that im working on right now as we speak...
-stephy