STOP, JUST STOP! Tell me we are not going to have a lesson of compression ratios next!

For your reference: How intercoolers work

 

LAWL!!!!!!!!!!!111111111ONEONEONEONE

OMG tell me you ARENT serious! Come on! Stop the Bullsh!t! You want to cool the outside air with the same air... WAIT, what does compression ratio have anything to do with this? LAWL x2! PLEASE stop making me laugh so hard, I think the water Im drinking is gonna come out my nose. Please TIMMYT dont ever post again, here or where ever, yuou are a threat too ALL of our IQs

 

unsubscribing to thread due to the uneducated responses of a few in here...some seem like they know what they are talking about and others just seem to talk.

 

I hope this guy ain't talkin bout me?

 

Thats what i meant by not THAT much power....10hp big whoop. So I am right in my own eyes and you dont need to start out your post with an insult such as "your flippin' ___. I mean are you serious?" to someone who is asking a simple question. Sigh... its sad how there are so many oblivious people in this world.

-Dan

 

nah im actually talkin to the guy that started the thread..

okay guys.. what lets take a look at our fake setup here

the intercooler is between the turbo and the intake manifold.. turbo runs air into the pipe, then in to the intercooler, then in to the intake manifold.. the intercooler COOLS down the AIR from the TURBO.....
tell me.. in a N/A setup, what air would be blowing in to the intake manifold? certainly not from a turbo or a supercharger.. it makes no sense.. and timmyt... big v8 guys dont use intercoolers, they use carbs...

big honda guys with high compression such as 13:1 use individual throttle bodies

oh and like an exhaust, too big of a piping with your intercooler will hurt your performance... think of blowing through a small straw, there is more pressure so you can blow more air through it, think of a straw that is way too big and blow in it, you basically run out of breath quick

 

so bigger is always not better guys............=P

 

This is just upsetting to look at. But this is why we're here!!!

There have been some educated replies but not many.

Here's a quick 2 cents from myself and what I think about this...
Does anyone know why intercoolers are even needed? The turbo itself is NOT why the temps go up, or why an intercooler is needed. Temps go up when air is compressed, plain and simple. Compressed air moves faster, thus bumping into itself, thus increasing temps. The most any NA car would need is a cold air pipe, with heat wrap, to keep only ambient temperatures going into the engine. The intercooler will add no aid to this, because the air is at 0 bar. As boost goes up, up goes your intercooler cores, end takes, pipe diameters, or even a switch to bar and plate.

There's a lot to intercoolers. I use a staggered end-tank setup for our boost levels. 2.5" going in hotside, 2.25" going out to the TB keeping lag to a minimum.

2.5" exhaust is ideal for our 2.4L motor. It may be a little overkill so a 2.3" is more practical and driveable for an NA setup.

As an end to this brief post... CAI with heat wrap will yeild maximum HP for an NA tC. This is of course only using conventional intake methods. No one on this site, or anytime soon, has had individual TBs. Until someone decides to de-stroke the motor and run a stand-alone with high compression, CAI is still the way to go.

-END RANT.

 

You guys should also remember there are more intercoolers than air-air intercoolers.

If you weld one of those water-air coolers onto the intake piping (as you would a turbo intake pipe) than you may be able to keep temperatures down to at the very very most, 100 degrees celsius. By putting ice into the water-air cooler, you'd be able to get a significantly lower intake temperature.

For (in my opinion) the best intake system check here:
http://www.yoursciontc.com/forums/in...opic=7096&st=0

It's the install and DIY for a GFI stage 3 intake system. Dr Isotope is the man.

 

100 Degrees Celsius? You do realize that is the boiling point of water right? I damn straight wouldn't want air to enter my throttle body at that temperature.

 

that and the .5 hp incres the water and ice would give us would be canceled out by the restrictivenes and added weight

 

an oversized intercooler would NOT loose HP, just create more turbo lag. Why? because there is still the same amount of air getting from point A to point B. Its not like the air is being lost anywhere, its just for a short period of time its being de pressureized. Soon after though the air fills the intercooler fins and reaches the other end of the intercooler. It comes together in the pipe and is once again under the same amount of pressure.
Hp loss would be experienced only if the intercooler was so big that it creates so much lag, that the air is depressureized for so long that the same amount of PSI doesnt reach the engine in time.

 

^^^ That was my point.

 

thank you it looks like at least one other person knows what a intercooler is for ive only seen one other post asking what you were going o hook it to you should go read up

 

100 degrees Celsius = 212 degrees Farenheit.

Typical engines don't run that hot. Coolant gets up to about 190 in the hottest street engines. Ours, I THINK, bounces around 170. Others will correct me shortly, i bet.

CAI with heat wrap is your best solution until ITB.

I actually thought of adding a liquid oxygen reservoir to the inside of the airbox, and allowing it to have a slow leak into the intake. 2 problems... can't find a suitable container small enough, and liquid oxygen turns out to be very difficult to get ahold of (even for me, who's used it for research purposes.)

Theoretically, it'd be better than Nitrous. 100% oxygen instead of 66%. In addition, the intake charge COULD drop to well below -100* C. I can only imagine the problems it'd cause down the line, however.

 

Liquid O2! One big difference between NO2 and O2 is O2 is very explosive. Yeah it would cool better than Nitrous but it is much more dangerous, one spark and.....well you don't want to go there.

 

Normal temps from the upper radiator pipe where my Autometer water temp Mechanical gauge is hooked up reaches around 180-190 on normal days. 170-180 on cooler days.

 

Your Temp guage starts moving at 125 Degrees, Hits the first mark at 135 Degrees, then second at 170 Degrees, and then the middle ~ 190 Degrees...

We hover around 190.... I run the OBDII through my laptop and get the readings from the computer....

Oxygen and a car.... INSANELY dangerous option.... Stick with N2O.... at least it won't blow you up. or fry you like a chicken....

 

The water would be able to keep intake temperature much lower than that. After the water starts boiling, the temperature decrease would be non-existent.. right? Makes sense doesn't it? If for some reason or another you're drag racing in 100+ degree temperature, the water would keep intake charge at around 100 degrees rather than 100+ degrees. I cited the boiling point of water because boiling water has a constant temperature and would continue to take away heat energy from intake charge if the intake charge is running 100+ degrees. This will happen until the water in the intercooler is 100% steam.

BTW, I would congratulate anyone that can find 212 degree temperature and race in it. I'd also send him or her a glass of water.



That is a straight through water-air intercooler. There is no added restriction.




And please don't think that I actually think intercooling an NA setup is a good idea. It's a waste.

Check Dr. Isotope's GFI intake.

 

Here is teh gauge I got, stays around 180-190F.