So basically I leave for the Marines in a few months and I have some biggg plans for the tC when I get back... Tell me what you guys think... If you got comments, let me know. If you think I should do something different, let me know. This is my first real big build...

Current Mods:
Tein Basic Coilovers
DME Front & Rear Strut Bars
Progress Rear Sway Bar w/ adjustable endlinks
CC Stage 2 Clutch
CC 12lb Flywheel
NST Full Pulley Kit w/ Belt
Megan Racing Catback Exhaust (Goin custom eventually)
TWM Performance Stage 2 Short Shifter

Basically I want to rebuild the engine before I go F/I. I have a fully rebuilt and polished s/c ready to go with a kit but I'm not sure if I wanna go that route or turbo...

If I go s/c I'll have 550 Deatschwerks injectors, Greddy E-Man Ultimate, Weapon R S/C intake, and a 12lb NST Pulley. Hoping to pull around 250+hp on the stock motor...

If I go turbo I'm lookin at either TT turbo kit, P-Tuning turbo kit, or a custom shop Xceptional Performance (Located in VA).

All in all, I wanna push upwards of 350+hp... Is this even possible supercharged and is it worth the money? I want a full rebuild on the engine. I know P-Tuning sells a short block that is capable of holding up to 400hp... And I know Dezod was looking to build their own to. Any comments there?

What about fuel? If I'm pushin numbers that high I'm gonna need to upgrade the fuel pump as well I'm guessing? What about new rails?

I know this build is gonna take some time, but I definitely want to start in the right direction. I'm leaning more towards just having the engine rebuilt first before I go F/I so I don't have to worry about anything blowing in the engine...

Please let me know your thoughts/comments!

Thanks!

 

not possible with the supercharger. there just isn't anyway to get enough boost outta it to make 350 whp, don't even know if it is capable of supporting that much whp.

gotta go turbo. oh, and do a search about turbotoyotas...trust me...maybe consider dezod.

 

If you are looking for the 350+ category, you can go with a nicely built block, PTuning turbo-kit, at least a CC Stage 4 clutch if you are taking it to the track regularly, and an AEM EMS is a good choice for a standalone. I don't think the supercharger is up for the challenge. You'll have to upgrade your in-tank pump, add another in line pump, and do a fuel return setup from what I hear. Thanks for serving and keep the muzzle down-range!

 

Do you by any chance know the limits of the S/C? I believe it could hold up to 485hp... Obviously on a rebuilt engine... haha But I know it can hold like 20lbs of boost.

 

Do you know anywhere that I could find a fully built motor? I love what Ptuning has done with the short block, but I want a fully built one.. I know Dezod was in the market, but I haven't seen much since then.. But thanks! haha

 

Do what I should have done on my first enlistment. Take a $100 allotment out of every paycheck and put it into an IRA.

:D

S/C is great for milder applications, but you should seriously consider one of dezod's kits for what you're looking to do.

 

The most power you would get with the TRD supercharger and a built block is a little over 300. I say just go turbo and Ptuning offers two built blocks. Jotech (Kenny Tran's shop) also has built blocks for sale.

 

^ indeed

 

Even if you were able to hit 20psi with the S/C, it wouldn't even come close to 485whp. Only a handful have even come close to hitting 300whp and only a couple have actually broke into the 300's. Go turbo.

 

Awesome, thanks for the advice! I already know I'm gonna have trouble not spendin money on my car! haha

But I do like Dezod's kits.. They've always made quality parts as well.. What would I have to do fuel wise for those numbers? Just a walbro 255lph fuel pump, new rails, and what?

 

You would need to start getting new pistons, rods, etc. as well..I don't think the stock internals can take that kind of power

 

I guess no one else noticed this, but allow me to be the first to respond. LMFAO!!!

TT no longer exists.

 

I have a sc setup. FYI, I have never seen a pulley smaller than 14PSI (not possible to make almost 500HP).

What you have to remember is, to make MORE power out of the s/c, you need a SMALLER pulley (so it spins up faster, spools faster ect). Problem is, there is such a point, where the pulley is so small, it just slips the belt. It spins too fast. The s/c is good for a bump up in power, but its impossible to get it to make 3 times the amount of power, that the STOCK motor makes.

Other thing with changing the pulley is, now the S/C will be spinning at higher levels, ALL THE TIME. IE: if something has a 3" diameter, it will spin SLOWER than the same item, with a 2" diameter. So now, youll have prolonged wear and tear on that item..

Say - the stock s/c pulley, unmodded for example - the "life" of the unit is (again, this is all generalized and only used for a math example) 300,000 miles. With something that is TWICE as fast, twice as much wear and tear, the life is then dropped to 1/2. (In reality, I'd imagine this number would be lower because of more stress, higher temps).

If you want a car with close to 500hp, sell the tc. Get a new HPE camaro.

I love my s/c tc. Its a blast to drive, but then I took a ride in my business partner's ZR1 vette. There is no amount of boost a little displacement 4cyl can make, that compare to the raw power output of a stroked v8 or v10 motor, and if that motor is charged or turbo'd.. forget about it.. youll never make it to those levels, and have a great daily driver.

Be happy with what you have, but keep your goals in reason.

 

the problem is that there is no way you can get more than 14 psi out of the supercharger because that is the smallest pulley you can fit on the supercharger, and you can't fit a larger crank pulley on the tc because it doesn't have enough clearance to fit it. so while the supercharger can take that much boost, and that much whp, it can never create that much on our engine.

 

Need to add LSD to your list!

 

Indeed! Just missed it.

But thanks again for all the info and comments! I was just curious if it was possible to reach 350hp s/c... Without practically spending enough to buy another tc.. And as much as I'd love to own a ZR1, I'm still waiting to win the lottery on that one.. haha

 

Either Dezod kit or (my preference) the PTuning kit. You'll get your 350 out of their kits with the proper tune and a few supporting mods. Happy boosting!

 

Thanks again for all the info! Definitely convinced me.. haha Turbo it is!!