id like to start a discusion here in hopes that the after market community will take some of what might be said here and apply it..

from what i have seen of the after market community here, there is the lack of testing standards or controls... just to educate those who do not understand... in any industry.. there are standards for testing, so it is easier to COMPARE product that are manufactured by different companies but are supposed to do the same thing..

know.. lets speak of controls... controls are settings and equipment put in place that could be reproduced whether here.. in japan.. in europe... where ever.. and usually.. it is the least common denominator.. and in a vehicle that usually translates to STOCK... a stock tc.. is a stock tc .. is a stock tc...

so for example.. lets take the CAI available on the market today.. which is better..? K&N..? Weapon R..? AIE.? or brand XYZ..? how would you know.. they all claim HP gains.. and how would you know that YOU will realize those gains if you spent your money on one of those.. let say for argument sake that K&N tested theres on a stock vehicle and produce a 8hp increase.. brand XYZ tested theres on a car that had a modified exhaust system.. and they claim 15hp from their intake.. how could you compare the 2.. how much of that 15hp was helped from the exhaust..? what are the gains if you did not have a modified exhaust.. ? if brand XYZ's CAI cost $150... but in order to realize the full 15hp you must spend another lets say $450... those 15hp will actaully cost you $500 not $150

this rational could be applied to any and all parts you could purchase that purport to produce an increase in HP..

another issue... which has caused many discussions on this board is dyno's.. this is a control item.. unfortunately .. not to controllable of a control item as i have seen here... normally.. if you test a part.. be it once or a hundred times... doing them on the same dyno would be ideal..this would mitigate any question of improper testing.. however, not all shops are fortunate to have their own dyno..

Kits... well... there really is no need for controlled testing since you are selling those controls.... meaning if you say a kit will produce 50hp.. and you include everything needed to produce the stated HP in the kit.. then you eliminate any variables (to an extent)..

some may argue and have.. that there is no need to test part A if you do not have part B because you would not see the full gains.. but the fact still goes that there WILL be customers that will purchase part A regardless of part B if there are gains to be had at all.. on top of that.. will part B be the same for everyone.. will a competitor test his part A to the exact part B ......


i think you guys can see where im going with this....

 

good luck. difference in dyno's, altitude, temperature, and etc. will always be different between dyno's. this will throw the numbers enough to make them not 100% accurate

 

i agree...to many variables to make everything on par with each other. Only thing we can do is have one person do a shootout of products using the same dyno and associated variables.

 

i agree.. but at least start with the same base.... dyno, altitude, air temp.. will throw of the numbers.. but if you start with the same base you atleast have a place to start...

 

I actually think this is a nice thread, that should looked upon once again. "Riseee from the DEADDD!!!"

 

If you're thinking of Sega's Altered Beast.


" RRIIISSSE FROMM YOUR GRAVEEE !! "


lolzers.


Now, on-topic.

If it were cost effective to do so, companies would participate in something like this. However, everyone wants to sell products, period. That's it. All in the marketing.... and no one wants to sponsor such a test to find out they're second place.

 

Good points in almost all the post here.