adamstc

1. think about what your saying first,( 320 crank hp-420 crank hp) what no the thing will have 260 or 280 crank , 220- 240 wheel that would be nice, also if you look at the pic's of the kit it has new injectors and it will have an ecu update, take a look at the 7 injector kit for the tacoma, stop ranting and pay attention.

justinb

Centrifugal superchargers certainly do have lag... more lag than a properly sized modern turbo does.

Of course, centrifugal does allow for flexible mounting and will allow you to plumb in an intercooler (which they seem to have planned with their staged upgrades).

-Justin

mach5

yea its like a turbo with a belt

Harman

Enlighten me with your maths....

160 HP (stock) + 100 HP (increased) = 260 HP at the crank.
And you're using 20% drivetrain loss, 260 HP *0.8 = 208 wHP.
So, question is, how did you come up with 320 crank HP?

Furthermore, if SC provides 200HP (quite a large number, but let say it's plausible at this point)

160 HP (stock) + 200 HP (increased) = 360 HP at the crank.
And you're using 20% drivetrain loss, 360 HP *0.8 = 288 wHP.
So, question is, how did you come up with 420 HP?

Before you call the whole thing BS, do your math!

spwolf

4k for 100hp and warranty would be deal of the century... heck 3k and 60hp would also be deal of the century, w/o installation of course....

aarontrini85

with it being a vortec supercharger i think the gains we will see will looke like these

http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/...9-00civic.html

and these are the prices we should expect maybe a little more (but probly alot more) since its from a dealer

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...16&prmenbr=361

and for lazy peaple who dont want to click on links here are the prices

Acura/Honda
933-4HC218-010SQ Honda Civic Si 1.6L 1999-00, V-5 SQ G-Trim | Dyno Chart | More Details $3199.99
933-4HC218-020SQ Honda Civic Si 1.6L 1999-00, V-5 SQ G-Trim with Cooler | Dyno Chart | View Product | More Details $4319.99
933-4HC218-028SQ Honda Civic Si 1.6L 1999-00, Polished V-5 SQ G-Trim with Cooler | Dyno Chart | More Details $4502.99
933-4HS218-010SQ Honda S2000 2000-02, V-2 SQ SC-Trim with Cooler | Dyno Chart | More Details $4787.99
933-4HS218-018SQ Honda S2000 2000-02, Polished V-2 SQ SC-Trim with Cooler | Dyno Chart | More Details $5029.99


and here are the gains

Supercharging System with V-5 SQ G-Trim for 1999-2000 1.6 Civic Si


Supercharging System with V-5 SQ G-Trim & Maxflow Charge Cooler for 1999-2000 1.6 Civic Si

oldman

I would think the TC would show bigger gains, it is a bigger engine with a lower CR to start with. The B16 Honda engine has a short rod and a much smaller exhaust too. I sure it will be be dumbed down for TRD (make it supper safe) but I think there will be version with some big power.

Oh and the open deck desgn is not an issue till you make big $$$. I've seen far more blown pistons then crack blocks on Honda racers both before and after all these block stabalizer plates.

I expect great things from the TC, just because of the large stroke. Oh yes I've had several turbo charge engines including B18C (Integra GSR).

As I've said a stock TC puts out MORE torque to the wheels then a Jackson racing supercharged Civic with a 2.0 K20 engine! 147 vs 143 ft-lbs.

nairod

That's why you keep the stock pulley and if you take it in to service put the stock pulley back on. Bingo!!!!

endlessracingz

Yep, as long as its a bolt on part you can always revert back to stock or within warranty specs and they can't prove it wasn't that way the entire time weather it was or wasn't.

apexjr

For one no high tech low friction engine and tranny is going to have anywhere near 20% drivetrain loss. Try close to 13-15% max. Oil's alone can run a 2% savings. And 2nd, yes the thing might be parasitic, but it doesn't matter because it compensates for it. The whole turbo better then SC, and vs versa is BS. They both have there own applications and are both highly used on the drag strip. SC are good on the street where minimum lag and typically low low rpms (less then 3k)is requested. Turbos are nice on the track since you have your foot to the ground 90% of the time anyways with RPM high... there is no lag on the track with a good turbo.

Otocan

didn't reply in so long because I thought this thread would've died by now - the crank horsepower numbers are what the engine is going through because a supercharger is a parasitic loss energy generator, it takes power to make power which means your engine is suffering through the power the supercharger is stealing. It's not free power like a turbocharger with the offset of high-maintenance, high heat spooling turbo. If the supercharger has to steal 50hp to make 100hp, you're only making an extra 50hp but your engine is suffering through a 150hp increase. That's where the crank numbers come from, what's going on inside the engine. Granted "at the crank" usually refers to as "before drivetrain loss" but a supercharger could be considered part of the drivetrain because it affects the horsepower before it reaches the wheels.

I don't exactly know the percentage the blower is stealing, but 20% is a rough and probably somewhat accurate statement, everything else is right on the money with drivetrain loss being 13-15% (even though I never even mentioned drivetrain loss, I was showing you what that surreal 100-200hp increase would do to your engine)

Jdawg82

Has there been any mention of two seperate kits for automatic and manual? I have a manual but was just wondering if trd is going to detune the supercharger to have less strain on the weaker automatic transmission.

nairod

Here are two pics I got of the tC supercharger to be out on April 1st.

KYBoy

anyone have any new info?

Mediocre_Generica

new injectors means either lots more power or they're being safe.

SUPERtC

Anyone notice the Date APRIL 1st. Hope its not an April fools joke.

f1nch

i dont know if anyone heard this either .....but the guy at the parts dept over by me said that when it does in fact come out ....they will be putting them on cars that are bought with them directly 1st and shipping the ones for people that already have a tc 2nd.....sooo we may be looking at some serious back order problems....all assuming of course that its a good deal (i.e. 3-4k for 100hp) and everyone wants to buy one.....i wanna start droppin money on so i can reserve it soon but only if its gonna be worth it and until we get some actual numbers!@!!!@#$#$!@!$#$!#$!!!!!!

adamstc

i just hope it comes out im tired of waiting, no more aem intake i put the money to the supercharger i think im the only one that has a down payment on it because i payed for the intake back in june, so i am the first in line at rsm scion (no they are not taking down payments part # not released)

sa_gi_scion

just got off the phone with trdusa. the sales rep told me that they are pushing back the release to may now! geez can they ever realease anything on time. still no price est either. lets just hope that they dont turn this into the same deal they did with the celica supercharger. first they said it would be out in 2001 finally it comes out it in 2004 and to top it all off it only comes out for the gt not the gt-s. now that its out for the celica, the car will be discontinued for 2006 and beyond. what a bunch of crap. thank god i am trading that car in for the scion tc. that is why i am hoping they dont turn this into a celica deal. please let the sc come out soonnnnnnn!!