Notices
Scion tC 1G Drivetrain & Power Engine and transmission discussions...

Umnitza's CarbonWerks Intake...2 Pics and Video!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 11, 2005 | 02:54 AM
  #81  
XD40tC's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,845
From: El Paso, TX
Default

You guys should like give your intakes to Creative Compacts for them to sell since I hear so much good about them. Let them do all the waiting rather than us.
Old Aug 11, 2005 | 03:59 AM
  #82  
AtC2nv's Avatar
Senior Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 202
Default

Originally Posted by whitexa
i'm actually curious to see where it draws air from, other then the opening in the front. but i think the price is ok, but like to see it a little cheaper thou..


edit

actually it would be nice if there's an extension from the front opening to the front upper grill, like how they do it with the 3 series, then that way it'll be drawing air from out side where it's clean and cold. I hope you know what i'm talking about...

yeah i get what u sayin...its a really good idea too...but you can make ur own if u get this intake...just get a small pipe and connect it to the opening on top of the fuse box...have the pipe lead out to the girrle or sumthin...sweet clean and cold air..yummy!!!
Old Aug 11, 2005 | 09:00 PM
  #83  
Bavtoys's Avatar
Former Sponsor
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 705
From: Florida
Default

Fun:
Dyno run - 1 - stock completely stock, stocker than stock, the most stock you can possibly stock, the stockiest. Nate thinks his car is stock, so do I.

Dyno run - 2 - not so stock, a lot less stock, Nate and I are pretty pleased with the lack of stockiness aka 8HP, 8TQ approximate with better A/F ratio.

Dyno run - 3 - no time between not so stock run and the next not so stock run - heat soak showing a bit, number still not very stocky - 7HP, 6TQ

Dyno run - 4 - less than 1 minute between the two not so stocky's and this one - heat soak playing a larger role, but stockiness long since a memory - 5HP, 3TQ.

What did we gleam from this? Damn fine intake - all the guys at the dyno place as witnesses (all 5 of them), none of whom care one bit about this car or this intake, nor did they particular have time to run this, so they were pretty shocked at the changes - they expected far less than even some of you. They were pleased and so were we.

Fact:
A/F ratio was greatly affected by the addition of the intake.
One thing noted was that the lean condition was lengthier with the addition of the intake, clearly the ECU had not adjusted.

Look at this objectively and it will be quite clear that this intake does what it's supposed to - PROVIDE MORE AIR.

The engine is a pump, put more fuel and more air in it and spark it quicker and you get more power.

The intake created a longer than stock lean condition because the car was getting more air than the ECU was accustomed to seeing, thus, when the proper amount of fuel was finally dumped into the motor - per the A/F ratio dip below Stoich - you got an immediate increase in power.

This isn't rocket science. the ECU will adapt over time to send more fuel to the motor due to the increased air flow. While greater overall gains cannot be predicted, more USEABLE gains WILL be available. That means, over time, the power will appear sooner, probably feel more responsive, and potentially deliver worse gas economy.

Basically, the dyno proves one thing and one thing alone, this intake is really a pretty good design, gathering air from two locations and filtering it without too much degradation in flow.

If you don't have this intake because you were waiting on some sort of "proof" - you have it in spades.

As has been said before:
Sound, build quality, looks, and power <-- no other intake has it ALL for such a price.

Picture:


Where:
http://www.umnitza.com/product_info....roducts_id=272

THIS IS FOR THE MAZDA3, we're off to go pick up the intakes NOW.
Old Aug 11, 2005 | 09:56 PM
  #84  
acasanova's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 615
From: Miami, FL
Default

Originally Posted by umnitza
Fun:
Dyno run - 1 - stock completely stock, stocker than stock, the most stock you can possibly stock, the stockiest. Nate thinks his car is stock, so do I.

Dyno run - 2 - not so stock, a lot less stock, Nate and I are pretty pleased with the lack of stockiness aka 8HP, 8TQ approximate with better A/F ratio.

Dyno run - 3 - no time between not so stock run and the next not so stock run - heat soak showing a bit, number still not very stocky - 7HP, 6TQ

Dyno run - 4 - less than 1 minute between the two not so stocky's and this one - heat soak playing a larger role, but stockiness long since a memory - 5HP, 3TQ.

What did we gleam from this? Damn fine intake - all the guys at the dyno place as witnesses (all 5 of them), none of whom care one bit about this car or this intake, nor did they particular have time to run this, so they were pretty shocked at the changes - they expected far less than even some of you. They were pleased and so were we.

Fact:
A/F ratio was greatly affected by the addition of the intake.
One thing noted was that the lean condition was lengthier with the addition of the intake, clearly the ECU had not adjusted.

Look at this objectively and it will be quite clear that this intake does what it's supposed to - PROVIDE MORE AIR.

The engine is a pump, put more fuel and more air in it and spark it quicker and you get more power.

The intake created a longer than stock lean condition because the car was getting more air than the ECU was accustomed to seeing, thus, when the proper amount of fuel was finally dumped into the motor - per the A/F ratio dip below Stoich - you got an immediate increase in power.

This isn't rocket science. the ECU will adapt over time to send more fuel to the motor due to the increased air flow. While greater overall gains cannot be predicted, more USEABLE gains WILL be available. That means, over time, the power will appear sooner, probably feel more responsive, and potentially deliver worse gas economy.

Basically, the dyno proves one thing and one thing alone, this intake is really a pretty good design, gathering air from two locations and filtering it without too much degradation in flow.

If you don't have this intake because you were waiting on some sort of "proof" - you have it in spades.

As has been said before:
Sound, build quality, looks, and power <-- no other intake has it ALL for such a price.

Picture:


Where:
http://www.umnitza.com/product_info....roducts_id=272

THIS IS FOR THE MAZDA3, we're off to go pick up the intakes NOW.
was the vehicle an Auto or 5sp? What type of dyno? mustang dynojet.
Old Aug 11, 2005 | 10:01 PM
  #85  
Bavtoys's Avatar
Former Sponsor
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 705
From: Florida
Default

5sp, wagon, dyno jet.
Old Aug 11, 2005 | 10:05 PM
  #86  
acasanova's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 615
From: Miami, FL
Default

Originally Posted by umnitza
5sp, wagon, dyno jet.
Not bad, now if we could only test a TC.
Old Aug 11, 2005 | 10:12 PM
  #87  
STAT's Avatar
Member
5 Year Member
Scikotics
SL Member
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 84
From: Drivers seat
Default

ok that was odd I finally see a dyno but for a Mazda, granted I understand showing how your products are but shouldn't that have been posted on a Mazda forum? or maybe I should go to one and look for a TC dyno? oh well, I'll try later. and just remember the only time people really get offended, is when it's true.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 12:16 AM
  #88  
Bavtoys's Avatar
Former Sponsor
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 705
From: Florida
Default

we wish to apologize! the intakes did not arrive.
the folks at Bobac claimed that traffice was too heavy and thus they are arriving first thing tomorrow.

The labels are all made, each and every single one of them will go out as soon as they arrive tomorrow between 12-2pm Pacific.

We are at a trade show in Florida tomorrow, thus, only a skeleton staff will be handling the shipments. If your shipment doesn't make it out and some of you are more urgent than others (faster shipping requests) it will go out as soon as we return on Monday.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 12:39 AM
  #89  
Limey's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 640
From: Englishman in New Jersey
Default

I for one will never buy anything from Umnitza.

Your attitude is unbelievable.

You make it sound like you're doing your customers a favor.

It's funny I was pimping this intake on yoursciontc.com as an interesting alternative, it was in my top 3 things to get over the next few months, but after the responses here, i'll take my business elsewhere.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 03:19 AM
  #90  
XD40tC's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,845
From: El Paso, TX
Default

My intake MUST go out tomorrow or I will be very upset. You said those with fastest shipping will go out first so I expect mine to go out ASAP. Thanks for what support you HAVE shown and I do hope future business will go much better.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 03:25 AM
  #91  
tijsdtrancer's Avatar
Junior Member
5 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 8
From: san jose, ca.
Default

is this bad boy carb legal?? sorry im a bum in cali..
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 03:38 AM
  #92  
Mr_Meaty's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 9,061
From: VEGAS BABY!
Default

Umnitza is really letting the community down. First the shipping, then the Dyno. Everyones been asking for a dyno, so you post one up preceeded by a lot of type and hype, followed by the dyno. Then you say it's for the Mazda? WTF!? Your still being shady! I understand that the designs and engines are similar, but you should totally post that this is the Mazda dyno at the BEGINNING of the post, not at the end.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 05:23 AM
  #93  
Bavtoys's Avatar
Former Sponsor
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 705
From: Florida
Default

Originally Posted by angry jonnie
I for one will never buy anything from Umnitza.

Your attitude is unbelievable.

You make it sound like you're doing your customers a favor.

It's funny I was pimping this intake on yoursciontc.com as an interesting alternative, it was in my top 3 things to get over the next few months, but after the responses here, i'll take my business elsewhere.
You know, the immaturity of this response is overwhelming.

We're not doing ANYONE a "favor".

1) we're keeping those that order informed of every step of the shipping <-- yeah, many vendors dont' really do that.
2) We're doing our best to answer the questions as best we can with limited install test beds.
3) Every question is answered as fast as possible via email.

You want a great product from a great company that keeps you informed and doesn't let you down? That's the function of a good company.

You bark or bite at us for no reason? you get it back. Let's get back to maturity.

Your community will only benefit from this intake and we're very very eager to provide it to you as best and quickly as we can and we hope to answer ALL your questions to teh best of our ability.

Good day and get some sleep.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 05:29 AM
  #94  
Bavtoys's Avatar
Former Sponsor
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 705
From: Florida
Default

Originally Posted by tijsdtrancer
is this bad boy carb legal?? sorry im a bum in cali..
no sir, it will probably cost somewhere between 10 and 20K to certify it. you have to give CARB a car for 3-4 months is what I've been told.

IF there is enough demand for this product, we may just do that.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 05:33 AM
  #95  
Bavtoys's Avatar
Former Sponsor
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 705
From: Florida
Default

Originally Posted by STAT
ok that was odd I finally see a dyno but for a Mazda, granted I understand showing how your products are but shouldn't that have been posted on a Mazda forum? or maybe I should go to one and look for a TC dyno? oh well, I'll try later. and just remember the only time people really get offended, is when it's true.
The Mazda dyno is the only one we have of a similarly made dyno. It was posted on the Mazda forums to show what this intake can do and we've no doubt the one for the Scion will do the same.

If you have every watched dynos - I've watched perhaps 15 at this point, MOST intakes will not make more than 2-5HP and 2-5TQ.

This intake made 8 on both until the heat soak set in because the runs were too close together (3-5 minutes apart).

What can we say, anyone that has this dyno (about 12 of them) will tell you the butt dyno really does not lie, this thing makes power and makes it immediately.

But of course, we'll eventually get a dyno together, the original poster of this thread will likely be the guy that does it.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 08:03 AM
  #96  
kungpaosamuraiii's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,726
Default

Well butt dynos lie and lie according to expectations.

I just think it's silly to not buy from someone or some company because of his her or their attitude.

Soup **** anyone?

I would buy an awesome intake from an **** if it was worth it.

But I just have to ask one thing, umnitza, could you prove that it's worth it? Mazda3 has a different intake tract than the tC so it's like comparing red apple prices to determine the price and yield of a green apple.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 12:43 PM
  #97  
XD40tC's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,845
From: El Paso, TX
Default

Alright enough of this pointless arguing already. A dyno will come when they are good and ready. Lets get on to some better questions. Is my package going out today? lol
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 12:45 PM
  #98  
Schuller's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 701
Default

If you want this intake buy it for the product not the service. Don't get hung up on bad costomer service if your looking to get new sheet for your tc.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 01:19 PM
  #99  
Mr_Meaty's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 9,061
From: VEGAS BABY!
Default

Originally Posted by kungpaosamuraiii
I just think it's silly to not buy from someone or some company because of his her or their attitude.

Soup **** anyone?
Good point. And that would be the case if this intake was overwhealmingly better then the other intakes out right now. I dont' think it is. And even if it is the best by only a small margin, the horrible attitude and customer service would effect my purchase.

It's kinda like when you see a totally hot chick at the bar, then you talk to her and she has bad breath and smelly pits. It kinda ruins the whole package. That's what Umnitza is to me: a hot chick with bad breath and smally pits. Maybe some of you can deal with that, but I sure can't.
Old Aug 12, 2005 | 02:30 PM
  #100  
Bavtoys's Avatar
Former Sponsor
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 705
From: Florida
Default

Originally Posted by kungpaosamuraiii
Well butt dynos lie and lie according to expectations.

I just think it's silly to not buy from someone or some company because of his her or their attitude.

Soup **** anyone?

I would buy an awesome intake from an **** if it was worth it.

But I just have to ask one thing, umnitza, could you prove that it's worth it? Mazda3 has a different intake tract than the tC so it's like comparing red apple prices to determine the price and yield of a green apple.
I would love to be a Soup N. type guy, but frankly, it's not in my nature. I just don't like immature attacks on credibilty from "online ethugs". That's all.

Now, intakes are arriving today between 10-2pm, I'm at the airport, but my employees will handle the shipments today. Hopefully, you'll all have the benefit of these intakes within the next week.

As far as proof? Here's the greatest proof of all - on the Mazda3 the amount of air going into the intake increased by 3-5%, that's HUGE and translates into that 8HP max gain we saw on the dyno.

We'll get dynos after a month or so.



All times are GMT. The time now is 04:27 AM.