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Old May 11, 2010 | 08:46 PM
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Hey I was wondering if people could give a general review of a safely boosted tc: 5-8 psi, stock internals, that is also set up with decent springs, struts, sway(s) and tires. I am torn between investing in the tc or waiting to get a wrx/ft-86/mustang/ms3/genesis coupe.

I'm talking not just straight line acceleration, but overall as a daily driver with some track time.

Is a boosted tc even in the same category as the cars I mentioned?

Keep in mind my tc is paid off and getting it to the point I described earlier should be doable by spending under 10k.
Old May 11, 2010 | 08:50 PM
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a boosted tc > everything except the wrx and ft-86 - however cant really compare to that as its still a concept.
Old May 11, 2010 | 08:57 PM
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Boosted Tc better then a wrx not better then a sti. In my opinion. Now the for ft86 well no one can tell you until it comes out but for now that's over a boosted Tc
Old May 11, 2010 | 08:57 PM
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the only one that would be able to keep up/beat with a boosted tC, is the wrx(STI) in my mind. They've got the power and AWD.

not only that but with the boosted tC it's still a eco coupe so your insurance will be cheaper
Old May 11, 2010 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by skinnayyy
the only one that would be able to keep up/beat with a boosted tC, is the wrx(STI) in my mind. They've got the power and AWD.

not only that but with the boosted tC it's still a eco coupe so your insurance will be cheaper
A sti won't keep up with a boosted Tc unless it's running alot more boost. From a dig yes it will get the Tc but from a roll no. But then again depends what mods. But if your gonna track it sti > boosted Tc.
Cause I know I ran my tuners fully built sti and we were on the same psi and I would have passed him but my intercooler had blown off. It all depends on mods.
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I'd get the WRX over all those. After that tie between modded tC and Gen coupe. Remember, he is saying a boosted tC on 5-8 psi. Not a built engine, fuel setup, or anything crazy.
Old May 11, 2010 | 09:11 PM
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Ok so yea I figured a boosted tc would be faster in a straight line. But I mean as a drivers car, in corners, exiting corners, and day to day stuff, how does it compare? One of you mentioned an sti is better on a track, I'm looking for those kinds of pros and cons.

If I boost my tc, I want to be happy with it for a long time. Theres a guy on here, Carbonxe i think, who sold his boosted tc for a wrx. Wonder why?

Btw I'm talking about the new mustang that looks so good that it made my list in that crowd of competition.
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Put it this way. I have a tC. Turbo'd, coilovers, sway, tires, wheels, and it is just as much fun on the back roads near my house as my new DD i just got. (1999 Subie 2.5 RS.) tC is way better on a track, and on the more wide open turns and stuff, but on the bumpy, daily driven roads, it's just too harsh. Plus, with the subaru, I can go in rain, snow, and this awesome gravel road I found yesterday.

Any of the choices STOCK will be more livable, and comfortable than the modded tC. But on a track, that is turned around (besides maybe a WRX and STi)
Old May 11, 2010 | 09:28 PM
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thats good input bdis. Strange that the RS is your DD, its a popular project car people put sti stuff in right? Anyway thanks for your say.
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it all depends on what other things you look at too.. a modified tc will beat many sports cars in its stock form.. but then as you modify the tc more, you will lose comfort and reliabilty (possibly).. Let say, the tc stock ride isnt even comfy to start with plus cabin noise isnt so good.. add coilovers, motor mounts and huge exhaust then its gonna be a rough and noise ride.. an oem car that cost over 30K, in addition to good performance will have a better quality ride that you basically take anywhere except off road

biggest down side of the tc even in modified formis the fwd < awd/rwd
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I think most of those options are a better choice than the tC, if you're looking for all-around performance. RWD & AWD >> FWD for track. A boosted tC might be faster in a straight line, but for all-around performance, the FWD with an open differential becomes very limiting. Don't get me wrong, the tC is not a bad platform (look what Chris Rado has done with it), but for all-around performance and a daily driver the others are better imo.

Stock brakes on those cars are better ('06-'07 WRX has 4-pots in the front and the Genesis R-Spec/Track has 4-pot Brembos I think), suspensions and not to mention, reliability. A boosted N/A car is usually not as reliable as a factory turbo vehicle. A WRX/Genesis/FT-86 with better springs/shocks/tires and other minor upgrades, along with BPU for the engine would be an awesome, reliable, all-around performing setup for track/DD.

Personally, I think the WRX will be my next car as it's a great platform to build on, interchangeability with STi parts along with a great base of performance parts makes it a great option.

Short story, I think the other options are better for what you are looking for. As I am looking for the same thing.
Old May 11, 2010 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by honestabe
thats good input bdis. Strange that the RS is your DD, its a popular project car people put sti stuff in right? Anyway thanks for your say.
Yeah it is, but its expensive. When the engine goes, I'll probably do a full STi Driveline swap. If i have another DD, ill, track it, if not, just keep it a DD.
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all good choices man i think a wrx would be good for you great in turns and kinda quick stock, but do you want to be making higher payments and insurance or straight modding i want to be modding which is why im not selling my tC its paid for
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Well.. both good choices IMHO....

WRX's with that AWD and FI standard.. make it pretty nice. Im a mechanic/builder.. and those can be a bear to work on. Not much space in the engine bay with that horizontally opposed boxer. The tC on the other hand... pretty easy access to pretty much everything you need access to on a regular basis... which is better than most vehicles I've seen... and I've seen/worked on a lot of them. lol.

so... my vote would be tied... I'm not boosted with my tC... wish I was...but dont have the funds for it. lol.
wrx/wrx STi's... you have to fork over a much bigger fee to play. With the tC, you can do a lot more to making it your own, and adding hp mods before you'd ever hit even the base price with a new standard WRX which is a plus in my book... but I think that the wrx's are nice cars too.

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i love wrx's especially the new hot hatch style but ive seen them in the 30k price range and thats way to much i would just get a 135i or 335i for that price juicebox tune and make 400hp and run high 11's
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Originally Posted by 06sciontcnda704
i love wrx's especially the new hot hatch style but ive seen them in the 30k price range and thats way to much i would just get a 135i or 335i for that price juicebox tune and make 400hp and run high 11's
And also go way over 30 grand. Lol buy a used Tc for half the price of a new Tc and put all that money that you were gonna put for the BMW and that Tc will be hundred times faster and handle better. Lol it's all about the money you have to spend.
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downside of the tc, is its not a high MPH car. 130mph is low (well, 127). I had a porsche 944 turbo back in the day that ripped to 155mph, and that was 17 years ago on a light factory turbo setup.

STI's can do a hair under 155 (stock). The reason I feel the tc is competitive is its short/aggressive gearing. It would def lose some accel speed if it had another 25mph to play with. My bosses ZR1 we couldnt even top out. Its insane.

remember, regardless of how "fast" your car is, its still a eco-car. Anything under 20k will never be world class in every aspect without serious modifications all around.

We run out of RPM before we run out of power. Boosted tc's will pull all the way to the end of 5th without hesitation, but you cant outrun your gearing. Even if you could float it to 7k rpms, you wouldnt gain much more MPH.
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That's why you build the head snd rev past 8k and you will be up there and still ne less then what a sti cost. Like I said before if you got the time and money Tc. But if you don't sti.
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If i wanted to buy a car that would be my toy around 30-35K, i would purchase 2011 Mustang GT 5.0...But thats just me lol.
tc is a very fun car and you are going to enjoy when people look at you like you an alien of some kind when your tc passes their sports car. many already mentioned 2 important thiongs to cosider.
1) FWD is not great
2) reliability drops.
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Yup rus - I wrote a whole reply which I just deleted, but it summed up that the new GT is great... 400hp, almost 160mph.

You hit it right on the head. You and I think alike lol. You can not f with that new stang, even though I dont like the body styling. I respect the car for what it brings to the table.

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