The other factor to consider is the persona. We expect an STI to be fast on the track. But when you are hauling butt in your Scion, passing up STI's on the track....no one will suspect it. They actually will under estimate you simply based on the disrespect we get from haters.[/quote]


^^ true... with the tC if you build it right, you can have a pretty nice "sleeper"... and blindside the competition. lol.

Other than some of these comments.. I think this thread is fairly pointless. You're comparing a car that sells for roughly HALF the cost as the other two cars being compared. That in itself doesn't make for a good comparison IMHO. Personally I like that the tC with a few mods makes decent power for a DD that you can still enjoy going somewhat fast in. If you're in the 30K plus price range compared to our 17K car, it damn well better be faster and handle better stock then ours, or it would be pointless to drop that much cash on a stock ride.

 

Where did I EVER say I was comparing shop owned and built cars to that of factory and real people cars? Huh? Please show me where I made that comparison. The 900hp wasn't even in relation to the same subject....PAY Attention. The talk of 900hp was in reference to sleeving the block. That was or had nothing to do with the original topic.

Point #2...PTuning ran the Emanage Ultimate in 2008 and half of 2009. I RODE IN THEIR CAR when it was reving to only 6500rpms and we banked on my track at 145mph. Their newest redline (with a built motor) is 7800 rpms. They have made post with their track day experiences and have testified to hitting 160+mph (that's how they lost their first splitter dude). That was on a stock transmission with TRD LSD.

FYI....I have an Emanage Ultimate as well, therefore no speed cut and ability to raise the rpms. NO ONE said you can do 160mph on a stock motor, thought that was a no brainer, but I guess I need to put 2 and 2 together for some newbs because they might think it equals 10 instead of 4. In order to rev to past 7000 (7000 being the limit on the factory head), you need to have a built valvetrain. To reach 160mph you need 7800 or more RPMs. Does that make sense.

Rado's tC is out of reach of nearly every enthusiast. But PTuning's tC is not. It can be built by a normal guy like myself. It's not astronomically modified just because it's owned by PTuning. Essentially, anyone with a built motor and an EMS that allows the speed cut to be removed (Emanage Ultimate or a Standalone), can take their tC to 160mph if they have the ***** to do it. Another common sense thing would be to have the proper safety equipment when traveling that fast.

And NO I'm not talking on the street. I need speed cut removed because I Time Attack/Road Course Race. Not because I want to tear down public streets at that speed.

 

This was my initial post, it has gotten off topic. Maybe I should have posted in the lounge cuz people in FI are biased, and that's fine.

And I'm not comparing a boosted tc to something 30k+, the cars I mentioned I would price at mid 20s.

To me, putting down 7-10k upfront for trans swap and boost is a huge cost on top of the 17k already put in and is comparable to investing long term in a reliable, under warranty and enjoyable 25k WRX (as an example).

 

This thread is ridiculous, to boost the tC means you compromise its integrity and reliability. All of the cars you mentioned are better than the tC, stock or boosted because they all are inspired or derived from sports cars, the tC is not and will never be built for speed.

A moderately boosted tC pushing ~300hp might be a safe spot but even then stress will over time break down a motor, it is inevitable, the vehicle wasn't built for it. There is a thread that Done from Dezod dissected the 2AZ (2 stock motors before boost) and essentially came to the conclusion they aren't made to handle boost. Then once you start throwing built motors, etc at the car, you've eclipsed the price of the cars you've mentioned and you still lose the ability to just take it to the dealer for warranty work.

If you're looking for a DD, skip the boosted tC, eliminate it from your options. You should buy something moderately fast stock and you have it nailed in your car list.

If you want to talk to someone who have a boosted tC at almost 300whp then went to the WRX (non-STi) and doesn't regret it a single lick message CarbonXe. If you want to talk to someone who owned a boosted tC then went to a Gen Coupe and doesn't regret it, message stevejohns29.

Unless you're going to use the tC as your project car and another vehicle as your DD, ditch the tC option. When you add boost, something will eventually break and you'll run into other issues that you don't really want in a DD.

ALL YOUR OPTIONS > boosted tC

 

Ahh....the age old statement of Buying a car that's already faster from the start. To that I say...."What car would you be happy with leaving 100% bone stock?" For me, that car does not exist. For many enthusiast they will inevitably reduce the reliability of their vehicle in the pursuit of that Speed, niche to go faster, stop harder, turn sharper, corner faster, reduce weight...etc.

If you want a Track car, it does not matter what platform it is, you will build it beyond stock. If you want just a fast street car, then at what point will you be satisfied in how fast you can go on the streets?

Therein lies the dilemma...

However...one adage I would solely frown upon is that of the Genesis Coupe. Car is weak, and fails at 240whp despite the rep that it's boosted from the factory.

Example:

http://www.9thgencorolla.com/forum//...d.php?t=110224

 

This is so true. But then again I will be happy with a bugatti!! Lol.
And to the guy that saying Travis is steerings noobs the wrong path please stay quiet lol. And your tight on one thig anything is possible with the rift amount of money. But if you planing to go all out and do this and that don't complain about money! Cause without money you won't get what your wishing for. And as fat as everyone saying Tc is not this almighty sports car yor right but hey I'll pay for my brad new 18k
Tc over a 34k sti and with that extra 16k I saved not going with the sti I will put on the Tc and demolish that sti! So all and all it's all about the money.

 

Indeed good sir. Which brings us to that point where you hit the point of...."Can I afford the car that I wouldn't mind leaving stock". And for many, that answer is No.

Building it vs Buying it. I think we all can agree that a special bond is formed when you build something, than rather signing papers to drive home in it.

 

You drive it home and keep driving it an you will get bored. That leads me to me for example lol!!
1. Had TRd s/c made 207whp on 7.5psi wasn't enough.
2.Went to 10.5 and made 270whp not enough sold the Trd s/c for my custom turbo kit
3. Started off 9psi wasn't enough. Made 276whp I think it was.
4. Went to 11psi wasn't enough made 300whp.
5. Went to 13psi wasn't enough for me but for te engine yes lol. Made 326whp
6. built the motor and went 17psi made 370 something whp. Want enough.
7. Went to 20psi made 429whp wasn't enough!!! Lol made some upgrades and dsmt retune soon enough motor went bye bye. My fault and my stupid experiment lol.
8.gonna rebuild and going to 25psi pobably won't be enough. Lmao

My point is boost is addicting and you why bored of what you have. So for the people that say just buy a fast car well that fast car will seem slow after a while then you would want to modify. Imagine if I would have bought a sti and raised the boost like I did on my Tc lol I would have wasted a heck of alot more money then with my Tc. Everything has it's benefits really!

And yes I am a boost junky! Boost is like loosing your virginit! After the first time you want more, more and more and can't get enough of it.

 

True Story:

Guy in an Bone stock 05 STI wanted to race my tC. We raced and I put about 6-8 cars on him (at least that's what it looks like from the video). My tC was on a mere 8lbs of boost. Disappointed, the guy went home ordered parts (tune, exhaust, etc..) and came back to find me 2 weeks later. We raced again and he beat me 4 out of the 5 races by about 2 - 2 1/2 cars (my car was unchanged so still on 8lbs).

His butt whooping inspired him to modify his car. Will you be that guy who gets walked all over and say..."Meh...it's ok". Or will you be like him and want to immediately add stuff to your car, thus bringing you back to square one in the whole "Warranty issues, late nights wrenching, broken parts, decrease in reliability" state.

 

Eh, I don't think like you guys do (marcelo and rhythm at least). I think all I really want is a good transmission, powerful engine and sporty chassis and suspension that I can enjoy as a DD and autox on rare occasions.

It actually sounds insane to me to pour money over and over into to the tc because it never satisfies. And I don't have an ego that is worried about whether someone beats me or not in a race, especially since I have no interest in dragging on a track or the street. A car doesn't mean THAT much to me. But its your car, although I think there is an 'in too deep' factor.

My gut feeling was along the lines of what Ecko wrote, I think it makes most sense for me to get a wrx or something like it.

 

If your not gonna modify the car and leave it stock then get the sti or an evo. But if you are gonna modify it Tc > sti cause it will be better and cheaper. And ego has nothing to do with wanting more out of your car. Plus you say you want a fun dd and go to the track on occasion it won't be that fun unless your in it to win it in my opinion. But hey your money your life. I'm sure you will pick what's best for you. Try finding a used evo or sti and modify that. If you can find one.

 

all right guys lets get back on topic because now its becoming completely separate debate otherwise all offtopic posts are going to dissapear.

 

What are you talking about we are on topic. And were talking about the cars the op mentioned.

 

M6ar and Rhythmn both have good pionts that I would agree with but honestabe is looking for a factory supplied fun car. The RS versions of the TC shouldv'e had the TRD parts installed from the get go even though the price would go up but atleast it would be sportier from factory.
Honestabe go with one of the other options only because your TC is an auto and those transmissions don't like moderately high horsepower.
Hope we help you make the right decision.

 

What i'm talking about is that this thread is starting to into wrong direction as people are starting get too deep into our transmissions and comparisons or race cars, shops etc...I just don't want this get out of hand.

Even OP stated that what this thread turned into is not what he was looking to find answers about. Lets be respectfull and value his opinion since hes the one who asked us a question.

 

I agree that OP should not swap to manual and should not touch the tc. Unless he can do it himself its going to be very expensive.
I think he's going to be better off with factory car that will make him happy WRX is good choice in my opinion. And you can have fun with it when it snows ! ( if it snows in your area).

 

i know what you mean people really dont expect it out of my car you have been in it it shreds but its down at the moment you running this autocross this weekend?

 

I think I've heard good arguments from both sides. Most likely I'll leave the tc as is. Thanks for everyone's input

 

I agree with what you said as being true. One point I would like to add is this... there is a very good reason why manufacturers have and program speed limiters on almost every vehicle that was intended for the STREET, not a closed track. Biggest danger you have if you disable that control is that is it can cause detonation (destroy the engine). Just think about it. Say at your 145mph scenario...On the stock internals in our tCs were not designed to operate at those speeds and/or rpm's. Now if you do a complete built motor, then you would have internals that were designed to take /handle the extra stress on them. IMHO, for how much loot you'd have to throw down to do a built motor for the amount of hp and/or top end speed it just doesn't make good sense unless that's the first step in your plans to go boosted.

 

Oh wait I didn't know you had a auto Tc. Yea either trade you Tc in for a wrx and mod it or make your Tc a 5 speed. Cause with the auto your very limited. Or hey just wait to see if the ae86 cones out soon