snap i think someone just got told HAHAHAHA

 

On what planet was this? If you where to run that trap in A FWD car you would be in the low 11's to produce a trap like that. People I know who are running traps of that nature are in the mid-low 11's, run slicks, produce 450+ WHP on lot's of boost and have cars that weigh significantly less than stock. So, unless you fit all of this criteria, show substantial evidence, finally reveal full specs of the set-up involved this is a ____ing match at best with no resolution. As far as I am concerned, I do not feel the need to urinate anytime soon.

Furthermore, Joe was not attacking Mike at all. I gave Mike props personally when he 1st posted his time slip showing it. Hands down he deserves credit regardless of what kit he had on his car. He cut one of the nicest 60's I have seen for this vehicle on a sketchy tire. THAT deserves credit IMO.

Lastly, let's not forget the 1/4 mile is 70% driver and 30% car. I personally have seen people who have had 12 second cars pass them onto friends for a few passes and they pulled 1-2 seconds more in time than the owner. Why? Drivers we not as good and also unfamiliarity with the vehicle. I am not making excuses, just stating undeniable facts in the matter.

EOS.

<<<<<<back on topic>>>>>>>

 

[quote="paul_dezod"]On what planet was this? If you where to run that trap in A FWD car you would be in the low 11's to produce a trap like that. People I know who are running traps of that nature are in the mid-low 11's, run slicks, produce 450+ WHP on lot's of boost and have cars that weigh significantly less than stock. So, unless you fit all of this criteria, show substantial evidence, finally reveal full specs of the set-up involved this is a ____ing match at best with no resolution. As far as I am concerned, I do not feel the need to urinate anytime soon. [/qoute]

*Well these runs were made at our shootout in front of all that attended....we invited you remember? But you where unable to attended for whatever reason...here is a video on the final run where the car let loose arount the 1000 foot mark and we coasted through the traps at 118 by the traps the car was already shutdown...(this is where we blew a hole in our block, the size of my head)

The car was running our stage 1 block and head and you are right that the car was making very good power was a on stage 1 turbo kit with a slightly bigger turbo and injectors. I am not sure what criteria I have to meet there where plenty of customers

We know we have had the power to go 11's for a long time but with more power comes less traction. We have engineered a solution for the world to see soon, we're just going to skip 11's when it's released.



So is this why your car has only went mid 13's? I agree a driver makes the car which is why we have never broken a tC axle and have been running low 12's for over a year. If a drag strip was closer than 90minutes away I am sure we would have been in the 11's for awhile now.

At the end of the day the fastest Scions on here run ZPI some push a little to hard some push not as hard but we design and engineer our parts for the guys who want to go fast while maintaing a high level of reliability... We break our cars so our customers do not have to. This is the dedication we have to the Scion community.. We may no tbe able to go out and enjoy our new Scions like everyone else but at the end of the day quality parts and happy customers are way more enjoyable.

-Kenny

 

[quote="ZPIracing"]sorry to butt in, but their car went 13 witha full interor and a couple hundred pounds of audio.

 

Our silver tC, the one being referenced to is a full interior car. We do not have extra audio equipment in here obviously because this car is meant to go fast.

Our black tC also has full interior, and our gray tC, when it trapped 12.12 at Norwalk in June of last year had full interior. Only now that it's being built for a time attack car has it been stripped.

 

i was talkin about dezods tC.

 

I understood, and I was responding to say that our cars also have full interior...

Your post made it sound as if you were insinuating that we were going 12's on not-full interior tC's-so I was making the correction that all of the cars we've gone 12's in have full interior as well. Just clarifying.

 

i was stating that the dezod tC did the run with a full interior PLUS 400 lbs of audio. thats all. i never said anytihng about any ZPI cars.

 

So is this why your car has only went mid 13's?

i was just simply responding to this for the most part.

 

gotcha that's why the internet is hard to read sometimes, can't hear tones of voices or always be able to clarify things.

 

yup. its just i was there at the track when joe did that run. the trunk was pretty hefty

at least it sounded good goin down the track (and by sound i dont mean anything to do wtih the engine... but that sounded nice too )

 

All of ZPI's car records were on full interior, I thought you knew that Dave?

 

wow, you guys are sure to get alot of business after this awful thread. and i want my 10 minutes back...

 

Mr. Strickler your responses never cease to amaze me.

Well, there are several reasons why we have not exceeded 13.3.

One of which is weight and presentation. The car was done with many avenues of excellerartion in mind including speed. "Poised to perform on all levels" is what I was quoted in the mag for.

Second reason, it is Joe's daily driver, and with no other means of transport at avail, this makes it difficult for him to have a stronger possibilty of breaking his ride. I am sure several owners here can relate to that.

Third reason, the boost levels we have hit were a maximum of 10.5-11 PSI, which acheiving our results I think are fairly stout!! Apparently others think so too otherwise we would not have been elected for the mag and your company would have been elected instead. Am I wrong?

Fourth, the car has never been on slicks either. DOT drag radials are the bottom line and most grip she has seen. So if we switch to some fat stickies, I am sure we would be in for quite a treat.

With respect to the axle comment, ScionSpeed broke one as well and they were the original power makers prior to ZPI. Correct me if I am wrong please. According to my knowledge of the time lines I am correct, which leads me into your entry into the market was quite a bit ahead of us AND with more time to establish parts and a rep thus giving brand name reputation. I am not sobbing or wining by any means, but I feel we only have about 1 year under our belt in this Scion market and have been an excellent resource of knowledge and parts. We have had some good sales volumes that are continuing to grow with each and every passing week. We are stocking about $15K in just turbo parts for the tC right now, not counting the other system we make or ANY OTHER inventory.

On a final note, with respect to the fastest Scions, that is just because we have not yet stepped to the plate yet. Of course it's easy to the best running back on the team when your the only one.


GO SAINTS!!! 2-0 REGGIE BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I am done with the back and forth. We are trying to be positive. Once again, ____ing at best. I think I will revert before a moderator does.

Edit: Props Mike. Good luck with the build. Feel free to post and I am sure myself, Joe or the community will try to support you in any way, shape or form.

 

I think kenny tran has all of you beat with the nitto tires tc. first turbo tc and still the most powerfull street driven one out there.

damn that car makes me drool.

 

Yeah, it is a nice car. Motec standalone and that manifold ARE PURE SEX.

 

Yippee.... Fun reading... like watching two homeless albanians fight over the last motza ball soup spoon...

Gotta love how a lil' guy who wants to take his stock and weak tC and build it to take the constant punishment of consistent hard track driving gets shredded by agenda filled comments or "My dad's tune can kick your dad's tune debates"...

Let the guy build his engine and run some crazy numbers... it was damaged as any super hard and consistently raced high HP tC would be over time, without upgrading the internals... He's not a normal daily driver dude and consistently pushed the limits on what the stocky setup could handle and we all know it.... Thus, the need to go to the next level!

Back on topic to his build....

 

Paul,

I am glad that I can amaze you....Thank you for the comic relief to the end my busy day...

Rather than go back and forth with you I think it is clear cut what the issues are here. You own a performance manufacturing company but your project car/customer car/employee car is 2000 miles away. You lack the ability to push your car and your parts to the limit to let your customers know what the limits are...So at the end of the day all you do is sell under-developed parts which ultimately leads to blown up engines. As the current trend has been on this board it appears this is more fact than opnion.

You are right Scion Speed or the guys that stole everyones money known as them broke an axle. So did you, hell so do a lot of people who do not know how to slip a clutch when drag racing. I am sure this is what lead to your problem not lack of durability. We cut much better 60' times than you with an tremendous amount of power with no issue. But like you said racing is 70% driver which is where we are successful.

As far as the magazine feature, congrats I am sure you deserve it. We have been asked for months to make a car pretty to be featured instead we focused on making reliable parts for our customers to enjoy so that they are not sitting with out an engine in there car waiting on money to come in to finish it.

I am sure you will have another response with more excuses but there are none..At the end of the day you lack the facility and means to make a reliable part. You do no developing on your own and ultimately you are a middle man trying to play a manufacturer. This is fine and I am not one to exploit this as we do indeed rebrand some of our products ourself. Instead you try to come into our customers threads as you have done numerous times before and insue doubt. You may dress this up as a honest effort to help but at the end of the day this is a blanten attempt to create doubt about our products and ability. The problem is we remove all of this doubt prior to shipping..us and our engineers and are good at it. We develop parts in house so that when there is an issue we can physically test it. We do not have to play loan a Scion to complete the r&d phase. Instead of questioning our customer maybe you should vist scion.com and get yourself a real r&d car.

I am not sure what your running back comment means.....but if you are to insinuate that the reason we are faster than you is becuase you are not trying then I invite you to..hell if you are not trying then why go to the track in the first place? Next time we go to the track I will personally install 400pounds of dead weight in the hatch so that we can elminate that excuse.

-Kenny

 

are you kidding me? wow.... congrats mike on having a thread that has nothing to do with what you origonally wanted it to. ZPI and Dezod took it over.... its like the battle of the bands but with performance companies...

 

Mr. Strickler, have you ever heard of the psychological term projection? Please look it up, if not. You will notice some similarities in your post.

I do not have to justify our means of production or the production chain process which are quite a bit more sophisiticated than pie cuts & welds, cheap knock off turbos and wastegates. We sell, use and distribute all of the top quality brand names and do not cut corners and leave parts out of kits to have them be cheaper in price. Blow off valves anyone? Oh wait, that's extra. Fuel not included either.

Until you can step up in quality and take some SERIOUS effort into producing a product such as ours with quality materials like 304 stainless, not alumized steel with spray paint, I am not going to have this conversation. I have seen numerous kits of yours in person and they are quite a sight! As a matter of fact, a very nice local named AJ says hi and thanks for a blown motor. He personally came to your facility over a 3 week span to get a system installed and tune only to have it fail less than 1000 miles later after being tuned by you personally. Not to mention he had to go back and forth over the 3 weeks because you could not tie it down or hold the proper inventory to do it in a weekend or day. On the other hand, $15K in tC turbo parts on the shelf here. Can you say the same? Onto to motors.........

Two of our customers had blown motors on their own account. Jeff's (318_tC) tuner pushed his car a little too hard and cylinder 4 gave loose. End of motor. Maybe if he had the Ultimate, he could have trimmed each cylinder and been fine. Who knows?!?

Paul (coppermine1 was running 11 PSI on a stock block w/ our base tune, and auto-xing multiple times a week. Once again, I am not the 2AZ butcher. So please get your facts straight. Our kits can EASILY break a motor, but we ship them being quite safe.

With respect to financial means, I literally blurted out laughing there. This business survives on it's own AND can borrow over $100K on a signature. We do not need 'investors' or more people to sink money into our cars so I can buy EVOs OR get bailed out of BIG financial debts. That is not the case here. I hear you personally have a hard time with financials amongst MANY companies in the industry. I do not want to drag your harships into the open, but maybe I should since you deem it appropraite to try to make stuff up and bash us. I was willing to let it go, but I think you need to get your facts straight.

Lastly with respect to design and testing, we have a team of some of the most well rounded fabricators, engineers and developers in the industry that have been doing this stuff longer than you and I have been alive. These guys know what they are doing and use real industry technology like FLOW BENCHES, MANDREL BENDERS, CAD PROGRAMS ETC. More than what I can say from Zero Point.....

Enough of the antics and masquerade......You can choose to respond, but I feel I have stooped far too low to your level already. Thanks for my stress relief sir.