ZPI is back? Holy crap, olahalo was right!

 

 

My vote goes to Dezod ;)

 

My vote goes to ZPI... oh wait did the title say to vote for the good one or vote for the one that sucks?

 

I thought you couldn't buy from ZPI anymore??

 

You can't. Stay away from zpi, Kenny Strickler, The Scion Store, and turbochargers.com.

 

I must say, I am definatly impressed by the Dezod kit. Last night a few of us Scions met up at MIR dragstrip and ran all niight. My friend Brandon in his tC hit a 13.38 in the 1/4!! Stock clutch, stock potenza tires, stock tune(out of the box) reading 10.4afr. Wow.
and just to put a sway on this thread, on the way home from the track we ran into a guy on the highway with the stage 1 ZPI kit, Brandon, Larry and the guy started at a 50mph roll, went to probably 100 and Brandon walked him by about 2 or 3 cars. I recognized the guy with the ZPI kit right away as he uses the same tuner as I, his car has a full tune, i don't know the specifics.

 

i will be getting the Dezod kit

 

Ok, take into account you dont know how much boost he was running, probably what gear he started in, and what other specs he had ( exhaust etc. )

Could be anyones race.

 

boost is irrelavent, as i found out last night. my car ran slower on 11psi with 10.0 afr then 7.5psi 12.0 afr. Boost means nothing

 

No kidding your car ran slower. 10.00 can be any number lower than 10. it can be in the 9's and all the gauge is going to read is 10 flat. 12.0 on the other hand is a pretty good AFR when your on that low of a boost seting.

To say boost mean nothing is stupid. Dezod and ZPI use completly different turbos and make different power levels at different PSI. If the ZPI kit was only running 6-7 PSI and the Dezod kit was running 8-9 PSI then there will be a difference in power. On the other hand if they were both running 8-9 PSI, and both had good tunes, then it would be a good race. the 16g falls off around 5500 RPM, yeah, but spools ALOT faster than the Dezod turbo. If they also had the same setups as in exhaust ( etc ) then it would also be able to be compared to.

Thats good that he beat him, im not arguing that, but when 3 car lengths are won by, then there is a logical reasoning behind it. Either he couldnt drive, or he wasnt making nearly enough power as the dezod guy. Boost means alot.

... and you said he was tuned. What AFR was he tuned to? He could be fully tuned @ 11.0 to be safe. You dont know.

 

yea there are lots of factors. I understand that, but the result of last night was, as it was. That's the thing about this forum, too much contimplation occurs. Which is ok.... but im a visual learner

 

Like i said, im happy for him. a win is a win. Its just that everyone on this forums feels to have a ____ match with every brand and i was just trying to prevent it.

 

I think what Whocares is saying is that, you sound (or imply) like that every Dezod kit is going to put lengths on a ZPI kit just because of one race. Which is not even close to being the truth.

 

no any turbo kit out there has great potential for power, it's all about the tune. But out of the box, i am impressed by the Dezod kit, 13.3 is awsome for a pre-set "out of the box" tune. I have yet to see that from other kits, plus, he has had ZERO issues with it thus far, he has had the Dezod kit since i known him.
My other buddy that was with us that night with the stage zero, has replaced the wastegate gasket at least 3x, and the turbo just blew a seal already, he has had the ZPI kit for 1500 miles. The other guy i mentioned with the stage 1 ZPI, he has also replaced his turbo once.
The creater of this thread wants insite for his decision on buying a turbo kit, im giving it.

 

then i guess this discounts any video that Rhythymsmoke posts because we dont know that boost, what gear they started in and other specs of alot of the cars he ran.

I too agree with you that its hard to compare on a street race because conditions suck with when people say go and all. But rhythym has 1000 videos on here of him street racing and we are all suppose to bow down to that as showing the ZPI kit rocks.
So which is it? Does a street race show which car is faster or not?

 

I love these arguments. Same people, same companies smae stuff over and over.

Atleast now we have something to do for the day!!!

 

Quite the contrary. All of my vids at least 95% of them are setup, and not just spare of the moment things. I know the specs of the other car, and I post them in the video descriptions. Don't compare me to this race. I wasn't racing, nor did I set it up. They raced, not me, I do things differently than just meeting people on the street and take off.

I don't have any races that I have just met people on the street and raced....on vid.

 

It's very interesting that he was able to run that on the "out of the box" tune as you mentioned. Was he on the "out of the box" PSI as well? I sorta have the exact opposite experience with one of our crew members who has the Dezod kit with the Dual BB turbo upgrade on it (the F something turbo, forget the name, it was which ever one Joe Dezod is running).

He took his car to get tuned (If you can think of a turbo being "boring", his was), the spool on it was really weak, took forever. He went for a tune, and before the tune "out of the box", he layed down just about 200whp on the "out of the box" tune and PSI level. The tuner pumped him up to 240ish whp now, and he says the car is a lot better (I have not rode in it since the new tune). But 200whp and it spooling that slow would have not netted him a 13.3. Probably high 13's at best.

You are in a different area (climate, altitude, etc). So, this could have effected/altered the differences between the two.

 

so I guess u are saying im lying then.
he has pre-set tune, runs off wastegate(no-boost controller) about 8psi and it is the base turbo, not bb. Ran a 13.38