Would like to know about f/i seeing as how i am new to the whole game.

I was looking at this one in particular:

http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/me...egory_Code=BCS

does anyone know anything about it?
wouldnt i have to get an intercooler and pipes with this?

Please let me know something(anything)

 

Read a lot more since you asked if you'll need intercooler and pipes. On top of that, if you're new to the whole game, 450-500 HP is going to require a lot more than just that turbo kit...

 

read the stickys....alot of good info in there....you need fuel, management, gauges, intercooler, etc......i researched for about 6 months on top of learning hands on before i went turbo so i knew what i was getting into.

 

thats the best game plan you can have.

 

with that kit, you still need intercooler piping, injectors, clutch (flywheel), gauges, gauge pod, intercooler, hardware, plugs and prob a few other things im missing. plus you might want to build the motor to run the higher boost that this kit is capable of. Do a lot more research through forums and even google to find out as much as you can before you decide to boost. The best and safest thing to do is to buy a kit by a reputable company like dezod, turbonetics, greddy etc etc and have it installed and tuned. a cheaper route is to piece together your own kit but it requires more knowledge and know how on your part! either way you should know as much as you can before going either route but expect to spend 2-3000 on a "backyard" kit or about 6000 on a kit installed and tuned!

 

If you goal is 450+ then you will need

Bigger fuel injectors
Bigger fuel pump
Bigger fuel rail
Adjustable fuel pressure regulator
Engine management
Clutch
Motor mounts
Full exhaust
Internal engine work
Intercooler
Intercooler pipes
Blow off valve
Air intake
Gauges (can run without, I don't recommend it. Gauges I recommend EGT, Wideband AFR, Oil pressure. Boost gauge is nice but with and EGT, Wideband, and oil pressure you will save your motor before something bad happens).
I may have missed something but you get the idea that isn't in any way shape or form a "turbo kit" its a manifold, dp, wastegate, and turbo. To get the other parts you would actually need for this I would estimate another 3k-4k on top of the ATP parts.

 

an easily and more cost effective goal would be 250-300 whp!

 

agreed, but i would argue boost gauge though as an essential part of turbo charging.

 

^^agree on the boost gauge..

boost gauge > oil pressure.. oil pressure shouldnt be much of a worry if you have reliable parts and install on you oil system, although same as the boost gauge but boost pressure is more dynamic and have way more factors and hardware that can affect its consistency so it something you always need to monitor.. and with regarding to tuning an absolute must

 

I have to argue boost gauge isn't going to tell you anything about the engine other than the turbo is putting this much pressure in the engine. EGT and wideband will tell you exactly what is going on. Oil pumps fail, it happens for various reasons and with an oil pressure gauge you can catch the pump starting to fail before it actually fails if its not maintaining consistent pressures at set rpm ranges.

 

boost gauge can tell if your wg fails...

 

True but with EGT and wideband you will know if everything is safely within limits and if not you know to check everything.

 

sweet stuff. i will research more. thanks.

 

here's my opinion
i've heard way more stories of engine blown due over boost and boost spikes, more issues of boost inconsistency/fluctuations due vacuum leaks, hole in the intercooler or pipes, blown of pipes or vacuum lines, stuck wastegates and stuff than just fuel pump failure.. also dont our factory oil pressure light tells us that oil pressure is low, yeah maybe a lil late but thats not a very common problem.

also if you see something strange on afrs/egts without boost gauge you wouldnt catch the problem right away if its something to do with your boost but keeps wondering why is starts happening.. and also boosting on levels you are not tuned is not safe, lets say you have stock motor boosting on 15 psi untuned even though your afrs are fine and egts acceptable, you're still untuned on that boost level and the right amount of timing hasnt been checked at that level yet, although egt w/ afr gauge will tell you an idea about the tune.. its gonna be an eye of tuner that knows the car that could do that..

PS this is just an explanation why i wouldnt agree that boost gauge are ruled out from the 1st 3 gauges to get. nothing against anybody or anything.

 

True! This is why I have four gauges in my car but EGT and Wideband is a must! If you know the engine at all and follow the EGT gauge then you would know when something is wrong but like you said the boost gauge would help out here to identify the problem faster. I feel really comfortable just watching my AFR's and EGT's and use an oil pressure gauge so I know the engine and turbo have adequate oil pressure.

I do have the gauges in my car, problem is I can't figure out a good place for the 4th gauge. lol.

 

I've been wanting 4 gauge a pillars too lol, I need to add my EGT gauge but now where to put it.. might just put my oil pressure on the ac temp ****..

to the OP, take time learning before buying your stuff.. you would save money and get most of your setup that way.

 

that stuff u can named as STARTER item... as other members post all u need after that item... good luck!