Installing and maintaining a turbo kit
08-08-2007, 01:03 AM
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Installing and maintaining a turbo kit
I am VERY interested in having a Stage 1 Turbo installed on my tC.
I own a 2007 auto tC and like the ZPI racing version.
I have a few questions because i am not mechanical savvy whatsoever, just electrical savvy.
I need a large HP boost soon for my car and figured this be the option.
I run a large stereo system in my car which runs off of a 300A alternator and probably pulls every bit of it as well. On top of that, hot days staying at 100F require the AC to be on all the time and i'm terribly lagging in HP after all that.
I turn to a turbo kit to fix these issues and just to experience get up and go faster than it's stock speed.
Questions-
I have a ZPI store near my house, do they do the actual install of the entire Stage 1 turbo or do i have to take it to a specialist?
How much would it cost for installation for a Stage 1 Turbo roughly?
How would i know if something wasn't right with the turbo or the car itself and where do i take it for a checkup or repair?
When a turbo is installed, do i get boost after it builds up or is there some button i have to press to engage it? I hope there is no button because that is a real turnoff.
and finally, for ZPI's stage 1 turbo, is there ANY stock functionality i may loose or ANY changes to the specs of the car besides HP\torque. IE - gas mileage, dash controls, etc.... anything.
Thanks for taking the time. I am not an ongoing racer. In other words, if i were to take this car to my local drag strip which i have before. I do it maybe 2-3 times a year, so i am not a day to day red line abuser. I do however tend to shift around 5,000 (it's an auto, i let it shift that high) every other day when passing people since everybody in my city drives UNDER the speed limit.
That should be enough info, thanks again for any input. I need knowledge, hehe
I own a 2007 auto tC and like the ZPI racing version.
I have a few questions because i am not mechanical savvy whatsoever, just electrical savvy.
I need a large HP boost soon for my car and figured this be the option.
I run a large stereo system in my car which runs off of a 300A alternator and probably pulls every bit of it as well. On top of that, hot days staying at 100F require the AC to be on all the time and i'm terribly lagging in HP after all that.
I turn to a turbo kit to fix these issues and just to experience get up and go faster than it's stock speed.
Questions-
I have a ZPI store near my house, do they do the actual install of the entire Stage 1 turbo or do i have to take it to a specialist?
How much would it cost for installation for a Stage 1 Turbo roughly?
How would i know if something wasn't right with the turbo or the car itself and where do i take it for a checkup or repair?
When a turbo is installed, do i get boost after it builds up or is there some button i have to press to engage it? I hope there is no button because that is a real turnoff.
and finally, for ZPI's stage 1 turbo, is there ANY stock functionality i may loose or ANY changes to the specs of the car besides HP\torque. IE - gas mileage, dash controls, etc.... anything.
Thanks for taking the time. I am not an ongoing racer. In other words, if i were to take this car to my local drag strip which i have before. I do it maybe 2-3 times a year, so i am not a day to day red line abuser. I do however tend to shift around 5,000 (it's an auto, i let it shift that high) every other day when passing people since everybody in my city drives UNDER the speed limit.
That should be enough info, thanks again for any input. I need knowledge, hehe
08-08-2007, 01:31 AM
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wow. i dont even know where to begin. unless you plan on buying the zpi kit used, you will not be able to get one. they are no longer an option. seems like you have alot of homework to do before even considering a turbo. i suggest you start researching on howstuffworks.com, or pick up the book maximum boost by corky bell. having a turbo is like having a child. they requier alot of time, money and attention.
08-08-2007, 02:03 AM
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ok people sorry.... i'm way off in :back in the day" time right now. I just read about the ZPI story on this website. Ok, well the only other option i have is Dezod, correct?
I read somewhere that at the time... ZPI and Dezod were the only 2 companies to lengevity turbo kits for the tC.
I read somewhere that at the time... ZPI and Dezod were the only 2 companies to lengevity turbo kits for the tC.
08-08-2007, 02:39 AM
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Yeah I just recently got into the turbo a few days ago and I didnt know anything. I did alot of research the past few days and Ill tell you some stuff. Please correct me if im wrong people.
A suggested turbo is anything by Dezod. Rule 1 to buying turbo is dont buy greddy.
before you buy a turbo ask a specialist and tell them your goals. How much HP do you want, What you plan on running the turbo on (stock engine, or what ever)
You will need an advanced clutch with any turbo because a clutch will not be able to handle the torque very long.
Go to a well graded tuning shop otherwise you will have problems after problems and thats a must because once the turbo is dropped almost your whole cars warranty is voided.
You cant put a turbo on a fresh engine. You need to break it in otherwise you wont get the full potential.
Bigger turbos creat lag on the responce but do great at high speeds. Smaller turbos dont give off much lag but wont do as well as the bigger turbos at high speeds.
The way to know if a turbo is going bad is if theres oil leakage in the turbine or something? Or if you feel the blades are rough or uneven?
And the way a turbo works is the exhaust manifold runs the exhaust through the turbo turbine which powers the turbine, the more exhaust the faster the turbo spins. It then rotates another blade that sucks in air from the center of the blades and forces compressed air into the cylinders which can save you gas by creating a bigger air ratio in the air fuel ratio which then allows you to not waste any gas.
And the waste gate is very important. If the turbo is spinning too fast the waste gate censors it and bypasses some of the exhaust so the turbo can slow down.
Am I rite? Or did I really mess up. I'm still learning. Its been day 3!
A suggested turbo is anything by Dezod. Rule 1 to buying turbo is dont buy greddy.
before you buy a turbo ask a specialist and tell them your goals. How much HP do you want, What you plan on running the turbo on (stock engine, or what ever)
You will need an advanced clutch with any turbo because a clutch will not be able to handle the torque very long.
Go to a well graded tuning shop otherwise you will have problems after problems and thats a must because once the turbo is dropped almost your whole cars warranty is voided.
You cant put a turbo on a fresh engine. You need to break it in otherwise you wont get the full potential.
Bigger turbos creat lag on the responce but do great at high speeds. Smaller turbos dont give off much lag but wont do as well as the bigger turbos at high speeds.
The way to know if a turbo is going bad is if theres oil leakage in the turbine or something? Or if you feel the blades are rough or uneven?
And the way a turbo works is the exhaust manifold runs the exhaust through the turbo turbine which powers the turbine, the more exhaust the faster the turbo spins. It then rotates another blade that sucks in air from the center of the blades and forces compressed air into the cylinders which can save you gas by creating a bigger air ratio in the air fuel ratio which then allows you to not waste any gas.
And the waste gate is very important. If the turbo is spinning too fast the waste gate censors it and bypasses some of the exhaust so the turbo can slow down.
Am I rite? Or did I really mess up. I'm still learning. Its been day 3!
08-08-2007, 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 318_tC
Top F/I companies for the tC is Dezod and Turbo Toyotas...I wouldnt settle for the less than those two at this point.
Why, because thats the only two companies that throw you free parts?
Explore all your options. Learn what your paying for before you make a long term comitmnet into a turno kit.
Greddy
Dezod
ZPI
Treadstone
TurboToyotas
Turbonetics
Those are all options when going FI. ZPI is still a business, but currently going through some staffing and legal issues. Learn What each company will be able to offer you, and what your end goal may be.
If your looking for huge power ( which you said your not ) than go with turbo toyota's. They offer a good siize turbo, and an EL manifold.
If you want to get your daily driver to pick up quick, with almost no lag, than find yourself a ZPI kit.
If you want something for a little show and go with slight lag, than go with a dezod, greddy, or turbonetics kit.
If your looking for something fairly cost efficient, and still have a decent amount of power, go with the treadstone, and get an engine management system,
...But please research all kits. You can only blame youtself if its what you thought everyone else tells you what it is, and you get something else. People will tend to sugarcoat crap here. Im done with the battle's they never end.
Make sure you have an awsome tuner, and good fuel management, If your continually running a/c, and its + 100 degress then your also going to want to look into cooling solutions as well. Ceramic coatings, heat wraps, etc.
Also your going to want to invest in gauges, and put some money one the side as an insurance when mant. issues come about. a turbo kit is never bolt up and go, and not worry about it. Your going to always want to pay attention to whats going on.
08-08-2007, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Whocares05050
Originally Posted by 318_tC
Top F/I companies for the tC is Dezod and Turbo Toyotas...I wouldnt settle for the less than those two at this point.
Why, because thats the only two companies that throw you free parts?
Explore all your options. Learn what your paying for before you make a long term comitmnet into a turno kit.
Greddy
Dezod
ZPI
Treadstone
TurboToyotas
Turbonetics
Those are all options when going FI. ZPI is still a business, but currently going through some staffing and legal issues. Learn What each company will be able to offer you, and what your end goal may be.
If your looking for huge power ( which you said your not ) than go with turbo toyota's. They offer a good siize turbo, and an EL manifold.
If you want to get your daily driver to pick up quick, with almost no lag, than find yourself a ZPI kit.
If you want something for a little show and go with slight lag, than go with a dezod, greddy, or turbonetics kit.
If your looking for something fairly cost efficient, and still have a decent amount of power, go with the treadstone, and get an engine management system,
...But please research all kits. You can only blame youtself if its what you thought everyone else tells you what it is, and you get something else. People will tend to sugarcoat crap here. Im done with the battle's they never end.
Make sure you have an awsome tuner, and good fuel management, If your continually running a/c, and its + 100 degress then your also going to want to look into cooling solutions as well. Ceramic coatings, heat wraps, etc.
Also your going to want to invest in gauges, and put some money one the side as an insurance when mant. issues come about. a turbo kit is never bolt up and go, and not worry about it. Your going to always want to pay attention to whats going on.
X2 he explained everything
08-09-2007, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Whocares05050
Originally Posted by 318_tC
Top F/I companies for the tC is Dezod and Turbo Toyotas...I wouldnt settle for the less than those two at this point.
Why, because thats the only two companies that throw you free parts?
Explore all your options. Learn what your paying for before you make a long term comitmnet into a turno kit.
Greddy
Dezod
ZPI
Treadstone
TurboToyotas
Turbonetics
Those are all options when going FI. ZPI is still a business, but currently going through some staffing and legal issues. Learn What each company will be able to offer you, and what your end goal may be.
If your looking for huge power ( which you said your not ) than go with turbo toyota's. They offer a good siize turbo, and an EL manifold.
If you want to get your daily driver to pick up quick, with almost no lag, than find yourself a ZPI kit.
If you want something for a little show and go with slight lag, than go with a dezod, greddy, or turbonetics kit.
If your looking for something fairly cost efficient, and still have a decent amount of power, go with the treadstone, and get an engine management system,
...But please research all kits. You can only blame youtself if its what you thought everyone else tells you what it is, and you get something else. People will tend to sugarcoat crap here. Im done with the battle's they never end.
Make sure you have an awsome tuner, and good fuel management, If your continually running a/c, and its + 100 degress then your also going to want to look into cooling solutions as well. Ceramic coatings, heat wraps, etc.
Also your going to want to invest in gauges, and put some money one the side as an insurance when mant. issues come about. a turbo kit is never bolt up and go, and not worry about it. Your going to always want to pay attention to whats going on.
If those have served him well why not suggest them? That all you ZPI guys seem to do.
I suggest Turbonetics and Dezod. I've had great experiences with them both.
08-09-2007, 09:04 PM
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ok, i'm still here.
I havent had time to research kits part by part yet but i did get off the phone a few days ago from a local high performance tuning\dyno shop and he said that he actually owns a turbo charged 2006 tc 5 speed with a Dezod kit on it. Even though mines an 07 auto, he said he's familiar with turbo-ing autos and can get the car with the Dezod kit on there no problem.
He is gonna take me through all the basics about Dezod's turbo kit and all that and tell\show me some things to get even more power out of it.... which i know several mods anyway.
Mainly he told me he would install it, dyno it, then fine tune it before releasing it back to me. He said there should or would be no worries about problems with the Dezod install so i'm up for it.
I'll still research a bit and let some of my drag strip buddies look over the specs after they come back from vacation at Panama City, hehe
I havent had time to research kits part by part yet but i did get off the phone a few days ago from a local high performance tuning\dyno shop and he said that he actually owns a turbo charged 2006 tc 5 speed with a Dezod kit on it. Even though mines an 07 auto, he said he's familiar with turbo-ing autos and can get the car with the Dezod kit on there no problem.
He is gonna take me through all the basics about Dezod's turbo kit and all that and tell\show me some things to get even more power out of it.... which i know several mods anyway.
Mainly he told me he would install it, dyno it, then fine tune it before releasing it back to me. He said there should or would be no worries about problems with the Dezod install so i'm up for it.
I'll still research a bit and let some of my drag strip buddies look over the specs after they come back from vacation at Panama City, hehe
08-09-2007, 09:17 PM
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well since ZPI is in KY and this tuner i'm referring is in KY, he was leaning me away from ZPI with brief statements of he does not like the guys service in terms of a business in general and does not feel they are dedicated to be a company who primarily specializes in perfecting turbo kits as he was mentioning some kits do not come with all mandatory parts for instance a BOV on the kit i was telling him about for my car.
But besides nagging about small things, he basically said that he looks at that company as a last resort when it comes to dealing with the guys who run the place.
But besides nagging about small things, he basically said that he looks at that company as a last resort when it comes to dealing with the guys who run the place.
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