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Lots of smoke! Help. Dezod, Ptunning, please chime in

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Old Jul 20, 2009 | 05:44 PM
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second the piston ring idea......go ahead and get marcelos
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 06:36 PM
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we will see its mild build time
Old Jul 21, 2009 | 01:09 AM
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piston rings for sure. I am in the same spot building my motor now.
Old Jul 21, 2009 | 01:16 AM
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just curious....how are you guys comeing up with the piston ring idea when compression has been established and comes out high?
Old Jul 22, 2009 | 03:10 AM
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crush- we are thinking piston rings oil ring to be specific for a couple reasons. First smoke came out of one of the cylinders when we removed the spark plug. Second the rough idle. Plus the exhaust smoke for which we have eliminated the turbo and head gasket. As far as the raised cylinder pressure it was explained to me if there was oil in the cylinder it could raise the pressure
Old Jul 22, 2009 | 03:24 AM
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valve seals maybe....any damage to the valve stem can kill a valve seal or just a crappy valve seal....just a thought...that would explain the oil and the ability to have good compression...mostly what iv seen is when rings go bad is a low compression...much lower than the other cyl...again just a thought.
Old Jul 22, 2009 | 03:30 AM
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gotcha. A leakdown would show for sure right?
Old Jul 22, 2009 | 03:34 AM
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not for a valve seal i wouldnt think....it will rule out piston rings or bad valves (valves that are bent and maybe not seated properly for example)...

valve seals are cheap but you pretty much got to rip apart the head to replace em...take that back you will have to rip apart the head...lol
Old Jul 22, 2009 | 03:38 AM
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http://www.statracing.com/oem-replac...426&category=A

http://www.statracing.com/oem-replac...427&category=A
Old Jul 22, 2009 | 03:41 AM
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http://www.autopartsworld.com/scion_...emoilseal.html
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 05:37 PM
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a quick test for bad valve seals is:

Leave ur car overnight....

have someone stand by the exhaust and start the car...if smoke comes out its your seals..

also let ur car idle for about 30 mins...if it starts to smoke its the seals

also go and hit boost in say 3rd gear but let off at about 5500rpm and let it decel in gear...if u have smoke then its 100% valve seals...cause the vacuum is pulling oil past the seals into the chamber
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 07:03 PM
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See i was thinking something about the valve seals but was not to sure cause i have not ran into that problem before. Anyways just go ahead pull the motor apart and build it up. It will save you in the long run lol
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 07:09 PM
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yep thats whats happening. Pistons, rods, bearings, studs, and balance shaft removal
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 07:24 PM
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i dont think its yoru rings... compression isnt off by much on all your posts about it.. if it was a blow ring the compression difference would be much much greater... also the numbers are determined by how many cranks you do...

id investigate further and leaning towards something else... you'd also notice a blown piston ring if you hade a decrease in power...
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leakdown test is upcoming.
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 08:07 PM
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I agree with many of the members here.

You are jumping to conclusions. Perform a leak down test and see where you stand before you actually do tear down. Your compression numbers are decently high. I wouldn't expect to find much.

Perhaps you have a bad misfire related to the ignition system.

Whatever you come up with good luck and if you need any parts let me know and I will see what I can do
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 08:32 PM
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I know this may seem obvious but you'll be surprised...

Disconnect the ground off the battery for 5 minutes. Leave a door open to fully discharge the car's electronics. Start it back up to see if you see smoke.

If you unplug the MAF or o2 and reconnect it without resetting the battery, the ECU will ocasionally go in dummy mode and tons of white smoke will pour out the back.

Like I said I know it seems obvious but give it a shot. White smoke usually has nothing to do with oil seal issues. Typically that's a coolant problem.
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 09:11 PM
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joe- ill try that when i get home.

Don- i agree thats while im doing the leakdown test
Old Jul 24, 2009 | 03:00 PM
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Light amounts of white smoke can be fuel and oil

Heavy amounts of white smoke is coolant.
Old Jul 24, 2009 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DezodDon
I agree with many of the members here.

You are jumping to conclusions. Perform a leak down test and see where you stand before you actually do tear down. Your compression numbers are decently high. I wouldn't expect to find much.

Perhaps you have a bad misfire related to the ignition system.

Whatever you come up with good luck and if you need any parts let me know and I will see what I can do
I concur. Perform the leak down and compression tests and report back.



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