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Old Sep 14, 2006 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by web
Hey, that's cool. Good for him. Like I said, I wasn't doubting him, but I was honestly sceptical. I knew there was a possibility it could be done, but just wanted to see what came of it. Congratulations to him though.

No time slip necessary.

I'll be working on my 12sec run after Nopi. I will have visual entertainment as usual.
Old Sep 14, 2006 | 04:31 PM
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Sweet. Good luck.
Old Sep 15, 2006 | 06:33 AM
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rhythmnsmoke: The only answer I have for you Travis is try to find a s/c tC then drive a tC with I/H/E and you will see the difference. I had I/H/E then droped the Intake and added the S/C and Pulley that is one hell of a difference now let me tell you. Never hit the track with my I/H/E set-up but I can assure you with the I/H/E it's nowhere near as quick as with Super/H/E/Pulley. But I havent hit the track yet, So I can't post any times. Will be hitting the track when my Bracket is fixed though.

If it's one thing you will learn about me, is that I speak from experience, not hypotheticals. Second part is that I was not talking about a modded S/C. I was talking about a $3k dollar price tag to go as fast as oooh..$1k. Yes, a modded S/C will be faster than an I/H/E setup tC. Just S/C only though...naw, my money is on the N/A'ed setup. Then the S/C guy goes home orders a header, and Intake, then he would sway my vote to his side of the fence.
I think it comes down to driver. If you take a I/H/E/Pulley N/A tC it would make less power still than a tC with no mods but a s/c. All it takes to see that is a look at the Dyno Pages. But I think it's very possible for a n/a tC with I/H/E/P gutted interior to be around the same times as a Stock full interior s/c tC. It would be like my tC...I had I/H/E then got rid of the intake and swapped on a S/C the only difference being a Intake/Super...think about it, it has to be the driver not the car.

Not to argue or anything, but the I/H/E/Pulley setup of a tC I recorded clicking 14.8-15 flat runs was not gutted. It was full factory trim. And dyno #'s are overrated. You can not just judge a race by the PEAK HP #'s alone. You have to factor in how the cars PRODUCE the power it has.
I wasnt talking about your car, just meant tC's in general. I know you are a exceptionally well driver also. But im just saying from my experience going from I/H/E to Super/Header/Exhaust/Pulley...was one hell of a difference. I think another part of the problem for s/c guys is getting the power to the ground.
Old Sep 15, 2006 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
God I love how you just KNOW our car like it was your own..
You talk about the car all the time on here, what do you expect? I may not like you but I still read what you type.

A LS2 GTO would beat you, if you don't believe me then go find one to race. Your trap speed would be much lower. You would definately have to up the boost to be able to take one.. What did you say you were at? 8-9 PSI on completely stock internals?
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MikeScion ran a 12.7 in the 1/4 on a out of the box ZPI Stage 1 kit set @ 11 PSI...
lol.. out of the box plus a new head and higher boost.

What is that 6-7k worth of mods? ZPI stage 1 turbo kit, stage 1 head, new clutch, and then installation of the clutch, head, and the turbo kit.. Even if he did the install himself it would still be over 5k.

Alot of money to have a best run of 12.7.
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Originally Posted by 06SuperWhite_SoCal_tC
I think another part of the problem for s/c guys is getting the power to the ground.


And the way that it builds power.
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Instant power sounds nice until you start to spin the tires and then that instant power is instantly annoying.
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MikeScion ran a 12.7 in the 1/4 on a out of the box ZPI Stage 1 kit set @ 11 PSI...
lol.. out of the box plus a new head and higher boost.

What is that 6-7k worth of mods? ZPI stage 1 turbo kit, stage 1 head, new clutch, and then installation of the clutch, head, and the turbo kit.. Even if he did the install himself it would still be over 5k.

Alot of money to have a best run of 12.7.
gonna cost him a hell of a lot more money now that he is stuck doing a rebuild due to compression loss from running 11psi...he says hes getting blow by...hmm I wonder why?? Chalk up another zpi tune ftw
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Originally Posted by DouBLeJ16
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
God I love how you just KNOW our car like it was your own..
You talk about the car all the time on here, what do you expect? I may not like you but I still read what you type.

A LS2 GTO would beat you, if you don't believe me then go find one to race. Your trap speed would be much lower. You would definately have to up the boost to be able to take one.. What did you say you were at? 8-9 PSI on completely stock internals?


LOL...I don't tell SL everything about our car.


Originally Posted by DouBLeJ16
ol.. out of the box plus a new head and higher boost.

What is that 6-7k worth of mods? ZPI stage 1 turbo kit, stage 1 head, new clutch, and then installation of the clutch, head, and the turbo kit.. Even if he did the install himself it would still be over 5k.

Alot of money to have a best run of 12.7.

Where the heck did you get the information of "A new Head" from? No one said anything about a new head. I just said 11 PSI of boost, so what was your point in iterrating "higher boost". FYI....Higher boost does not change the fact that it's off the shelf. Off the Shelf means, he did not make any mechanical upgrades to the kit besides what comes in the kit. I don't know what you have been reading, but you are going to have to find a quote of him saying he had a Stage 1 head on it bud...I don't think your going to, because I think you are mistaken.


PS...Compare that 12.7 to the other competitors turbo kits...Need I say more
Old Sep 15, 2006 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by web
Instant power sounds nice until you start to spin the tires and then that instant power is instantly annoying.

But intimidation factor goes up.... When you can mash the gas and spin tires from a roll right next to the other guy, he is going to go
Old Sep 15, 2006 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Simplyscion
Originally Posted by DouBLeJ16
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MikeScion ran a 12.7 in the 1/4 on a out of the box ZPI Stage 1 kit set @ 11 PSI...
lol.. out of the box plus a new head and higher boost.

What is that 6-7k worth of mods? ZPI stage 1 turbo kit, stage 1 head, new clutch, and then installation of the clutch, head, and the turbo kit.. Even if he did the install himself it would still be over 5k.

Alot of money to have a best run of 12.7.
gonna cost him a hell of a lot more money now that he is stuck doing a rebuild due to compression loss from running 11psi...he says hes getting blow by...hmm I wonder why?? Chalk up another zpi tune ftw


I usually keep quite on all the BS threads that anyone with a brain can read through. Don't start kicking dirt now Vito, especially when the 2 Dezod powered people that were very voiceful in the F/I section, were only boosted for no more than 2 weeks before having to build their engines. You forget I have one of the longest running ZPI F/I setups. Tuned by Dr. Strickler himself.


FYI...MikeScion was boosted no more than 5 days after us. He probably beats on the car as much as we beat on ours. And he is just NOW getting to building the motor from cranking the boost up every time at the track. So, your right....ZPI TUNE FTW!
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I just wanna see a slip of a fully n/a tc running below a 15... I have not seen one and none are recorded on dragtimes.com Anyone have a vid or a slip of a n/a tc running below a 15???

Here is a link to what most all n/a tc's run.... a few FI cars in there turning great times as well. I know the site is not everyone that drags, but it gives good reference to cars and what they can do.

Only tc not FI that is in the 14's has a large zex kit on it.

http://www.dragtimes.com/Scion--tC-Drag-Racing.html
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Originally Posted by Simplyscion
gonna cost him a hell of a lot more money now that he is stuck doing a rebuild due to compression loss from running 11psi...he says hes getting blow by...hmm I wonder why?? Chalk up another zpi tune ftw
Ouch.
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Originally Posted by Garage1217
I just wanna see a slip of a fully n/a tc running below a 15... I have not seen one and none are recorded on dragtimes.com Anyone have a vid or a slip of a n/a tc running below a 15???

I posted them already in another thread. Killerxromances challeged me on the same subject, and I showed him PERSONALLY recorded vids of 14.8 (more than one time ran by the way) N/A tC's. My girl even had a fluke run of 14.8 that same day with a Full exhaust and lighten parts.


Let me go find the links...
Old Sep 15, 2006 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Garage1217
I just wanna see a slip of a fully n/a tc running below a 15... I have not seen one and none are recorded on dragtimes.com Anyone have a vid or a slip of a n/a tc running below a 15???
I don't have one but I can see it being very possible. My 1/8th trap speed is right where it should be for a high 14 in the quarter.

Bone stock the car is running 15.5's.. add intake, header, full exhaust, crank pulley and I could see 14.9's on a best run. I think there are 2 people on this board that hit 15.0 with bolt-on's, one of them was with a 2.3 60' time (which can even be better with stock tires).

If anyone would put the high compression pistons and the stage 2 head it would be hitting mid 14s all day long, but no one wants to spend all that money for mild performance.
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Ok, found them:

Click here to watch 14sec-Runs

Also here is a guy with less mods on the verge of breaking into a 14.9 by only a small 10th of a sec.

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...548&highlight=
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isn't that car on the right that first runs a 14.7 the supercharged tc you showed in the xb video..? Looks identicle from the rear...

Also I only saw one car that looked to be n.a. hit a 14.9 somthing..? Looked like a hell of a good run for a n/a, good driver.
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Originally Posted by Garage1217
isn't that car on the right that first runs a 14.7 the supercharged tc you showed in the xb video..? Looks identicle from the rear...

Also I only saw one car that looked to be n.a. hit a 14.9 somthing..? Looked like a hell of a good run for a n/a, good driver.

I can't see the vid right now, I'm on the IMAC here at work, however the 14.7 run is that of a Turbonetics powered car. By the way, that's only snips of a full ScionShootOut video. I just pulled out the high 14 runs. That car was the fastest N/A car that day, with us in a very close 2nd fastest. However, during eliminations, it was my girl that took home the trophey and the free turbo because she beat him and won the N/A Scion battle.
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Good stuff man. Yeah that car looked great n/a... almost makes me wonder were the 35 shot sneaky pete system was haha j/k
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Originally Posted by Garage1217
Good stuff man. Yeah that car looked great n/a... almost makes me wonder were the 35 shot sneaky pete system was haha j/k

The xA that was there that day had a 25/30 shot + a Blitz S/C and running flat 14's consistently...that's a site to see when you line up next to an xA in your N/A tC, and get smoked. I could do nothing but just look at it as I went down the track. Not even paying attention to my own shift points.



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