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Originally Posted by Mr_Meaty
huh? I dont' get it? Why is he an idiot?
So Brett,
What do you need to increase your rev limiter? I thought just having a built block would allow you to move it?
Can you do it with the greddy or the F/IC? Or do you need something else?
So Brett,
What do you need to increase your rev limiter? I thought just having a built block would allow you to move it?
Can you do it with the greddy or the F/IC? Or do you need something else?
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by brett561tc
wow, quite the response. sorry folks no 11's. 
the stock diff will not let me launch. my best was a 12.69 @110 with a 2.1 60'. the thing is. i preloaded up to 4500rps. and dumped it. insted of launching the thing just fell flat on its face. so i let air out of the tires, but my 60' got even worse. so i let more out. my last run was a 60' of 2.7 
the diff is in bad shape. the more grip i had, the more damage i did to the diff. until i get a lsd, i wont see 11's. i'll try and go back soon and run more psi tn the slicks so that it catches as the wheels are spining on the launch, and i might be able to get low 12's. once the car gets rolling it pulls like crazy. but it cant take the torque of a hard launch. so we'll see what happens with more psi in the tires next time. im hitting the rev limiter in fourth alot sooner. it hits right at about the 1000'. still doesnt leave me enough time two shift into fith and gain speed. so my trap speed will stay at 112 until i raise the redline.
the stock diff will not let me launch. my best was a 12.69 @110 with a 2.1 60'. the thing is. i preloaded up to 4500rps. and dumped it. insted of launching the thing just fell flat on its face. so i let air out of the tires, but my 60' got even worse. so i let more out. my last run was a 60' of 2.7 the diff is in bad shape. the more grip i had, the more damage i did to the diff. until i get a lsd, i wont see 11's. i'll try and go back soon and run more psi tn the slicks so that it catches as the wheels are spining on the launch, and i might be able to get low 12's. once the car gets rolling it pulls like crazy. but it cant take the torque of a hard launch. so we'll see what happens with more psi in the tires next time. im hitting the rev limiter in fourth alot sooner. it hits right at about the 1000'. still doesnt leave me enough time two shift into fith and gain speed. so my trap speed will stay at 112 until i raise the redline.Are you not aware that your tire specs can alter the RPM at which you cross the 1/4 mile line? Raise the rev limit if you want, or make a more simple approach and change the tire specs. The diff crapping out, I find hard to believe. First your clutch was slipping yet you ran 12.6 still. You upgrade the clutch and still run 12.6 (even a couple of tenths slower). Ones before that have ran low 12's were on stock tranny. Heck, the Hal (forget full name) ran 10.5 @ 140 on a stock transmission, and you would have us believe you are putting down some major TQ that exceeds the Stock diff...Not likely. Especially when the tranny has seen 10's in the 1/4 mile.
Where is AJ to give me the run down on the latest in "Bench Racing", seeing as how he was talking all that mess about the new kit being SUPER UBER superior over what you use to have? People will never learn will they.
Originally Posted by brett561tc
Originally Posted by nebster
well that sucks there wasn't much improvement over the zpi stage 1. I guess there is such a thing as too much power (if you can't control it). But either way we all know that if theres anyone to do it its you. GL
Much more Power?
I recall only a 28whp increase. You spent all that money and ran a slower time than you did with the 16G...
What happen to it being the "Real man's turbo"? I don't take the liberty to just start talking ****, but in this case I'll make an exception, cause had this been me, you would be all over that **** like white on rice....
That and you talked so much crap about how your stuff was going to be so much better. You spent how much again to run the same times?PS....you said you want a piece of the Z when I get Twins on it. Off the shelf GReddy TT kit, 400whp Z will do low 12's at worst, and high 11's easy on a stock motor just to let you know what you are taking on.
Oh yeah, he also doesn't have to worry about a coupler popping off half way down the track and have to push it off.
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I guess a raised raise limit would do you more good than more power. I was just wondering if you touched VVT-i, that's all.
And yea, how am I an idiot? Unless you search for the "supposedly relased" units in eBay over in Europe, the v-manage isnt' available for any of our cars yet. Only the EVO and STI have them.
As far as what I'm tuning VVT-i with, I'm not yet. I got dibs on my friends I/H/E greddy supercharger setup on his 03 GTS, so I'll be getting his emanage tune. When it comes time to tackle VVT-i for more power gains, I'll either be looking at the v-manage, or paying the extra $400 for a custom harness to run the Apexi Power FC standalone ECU on my DBW (03-05) GTS since it normally works on the throttle wire guys (00-02).
So what are you tuning VVT-i with? Is it something other than a CAMCON?
And yea, how am I an idiot? Unless you search for the "supposedly relased" units in eBay over in Europe, the v-manage isnt' available for any of our cars yet. Only the EVO and STI have them.
As far as what I'm tuning VVT-i with, I'm not yet. I got dibs on my friends I/H/E greddy supercharger setup on his 03 GTS, so I'll be getting his emanage tune. When it comes time to tackle VVT-i for more power gains, I'll either be looking at the v-manage, or paying the extra $400 for a custom harness to run the Apexi Power FC standalone ECU on my DBW (03-05) GTS since it normally works on the throttle wire guys (00-02).
So what are you tuning VVT-i with? Is it something other than a CAMCON?
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Originally Posted by GTRasta
So what are you tuning VVT-i with? Is it something other than a CAMCON?
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Unless the greddy site is wrong and you guys have special features...you can't tune VVT-i with just the emanage. Celica guys can't do it with the emanage, and it says nothing about being able to it for any other cars. All you can do is tune to make ignition maps, and make the fuel trims happy with the emanage.
VVT-i tuning for variable valved timing can only be done with either the Power Enterprise CAMCON (which is horrible at it), the upcoming v-manage, or by going standalone.
How did you tune valve timing and valve angles with just the emanage? Only the greddy v-manage is variable valve timing specific.
VVT-i tuning for variable valved timing can only be done with either the Power Enterprise CAMCON (which is horrible at it), the upcoming v-manage, or by going standalone.
How did you tune valve timing and valve angles with just the emanage? Only the greddy v-manage is variable valve timing specific.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Meaty
What we are saying is we are NOT tuning vvt-i, as there is nothing available to do it on our cars.
All I wanted to do was establish if you guys were doing it or not, and let you guys know there's untapped power in VVT-i tuning, as discovered by us Celica guys. That's all. There's more to making power than pleasing the short term fuel trim (closed loop) Gods with OBDII scantool datalogging and tuning for long term fuel trim happiness (steady WOT tune) with the emanage...just like how dieting alone isn't the only thing you can do to lose weight. Take a look at the 22 whp midrange gain before the 2nd cam kicks in by going from emanage + camcon tune to a full standalone ECU that allows us to do optimal VVT-i tuning on our GTS:
As I said, I hope more of you guys show interest in VVT-i tuning. Good luck with your builds!
BTW Syldrin, you really need to research things before you open your mouth.
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Originally Posted by brett561tc
wow, quite the response. sorry folks no 11's. the stock diff will not let me launch. my best was a 12.69 @110 with a 2.1 60'. the thing is. i preloaded up to 4500rps. and dumped it. insted of launching the thing just fell flat on its face. so i let air out of the tires, but my 60' got even worse. so i let more out. my last run was a 60' of 2.7 the diff is in bad shape. the more grip i had, the more damage i did to the diff. until i get a lsd, i wont see 11's. i'll try and go back soon and run more psi tn the slicks so that it catches as the wheels are spining on the launch, and i might be able to get low 12's. once the car gets rolling it pulls like crazy. but it cant take the torque of a hard launch. so we'll see what happens with more psi in the tires next time. im hitting the rev limiter in fourth alot sooner. it hits right at about the 1000'. still doesnt leave me enough time two shift into fith and gain speed. so my trap speed will stay at 112 until i raise the redline.
the stock diff will not let me launch. my best was a 12.69 @110 with a 2.1 60'. the thing is. i preloaded up to 4500rps. and dumped it. insted of launching the thing just fell flat on its face. so i let air out of the tires, but my 60' got even worse. so i let more out. my last run was a 60' of 2.7 the diff is in bad shape. the more grip i had, the more damage i did to the diff. until i get a lsd, i wont see 11's. i'll try and go back soon and run more psi tn the slicks so that it catches as the wheels are spining on the launch, and i might be able to get low 12's. once the car gets rolling it pulls like crazy. but it cant take the torque of a hard launch. so we'll see what happens with more psi in the tires next time. im hitting the rev limiter in fourth alot sooner. it hits right at about the 1000'. still doesnt leave me enough time two shift into fith and gain speed. so my trap speed will stay at 112 until i raise the redline.Are you not aware that your tire specs can alter the RPM at which you cross the 1/4 mile line? Raise the rev limit if you want, or make a more simple approach and change the tire specs. The diff crapping out, I find hard to believe. First your clutch was slipping yet you ran 12.6 still. You upgrade the clutch and still run 12.6 (even a couple of tenths slower). Ones before that have ran low 12's were on stock tranny. Heck, the Hal (forget full name) ran 10.5 @ 140 on a stock transmission, and you would have us believe you are putting down some major TQ that exceeds the Stock diff...Not likely. Especially when the tranny has seen 10's in the 1/4 mile.
Where is AJ to give me the run down on the latest in "Bench Racing", seeing as how he was talking all that mess about the new kit being SUPER UBER superior over what you use to have? People will never learn will they.
Originally Posted by brett561tc
Originally Posted by nebster
well that sucks there wasn't much improvement over the zpi stage 1. I guess there is such a thing as too much power (if you can't control it). But either way we all know that if theres anyone to do it its you. GL
Much more Power?
I recall only a 28whp increase. You spent all that money and ran a slower time than you did with the 16G...
What happen to it being the "Real man's turbo"? I don't take the liberty to just start talking ****, but in this case I'll make an exception, cause had this been me, you would be all over that **** like white on rice....
That and you talked so much crap about how your stuff was going to be so much better. You spent how much again to run the same times?PS....you said you want a piece of the Z when I get Twins on it. Off the shelf GReddy TT kit, 400whp Z will do low 12's at worst, and high 11's easy on a stock motor just to let you know what you are taking on.
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Originally Posted by GTRasta
VVT-i tuning for variable valved timing can only be done with either the Power Enterprise CAMCON (which is horrible at it), the upcoming v-manage, or by going standalone.
Brett go get a dam standalone already so you can have some 2 step launch control, real a/f and ignition tune and finally shut up all the zpi kit owners lol. With a standalone and motor mounts you know your gonna be in the 11's so tell your girl to start hittin the pole harder a couple extra nights a week lol
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Originally Posted by GTRasta
VVT-i tuning for variable valved timing can only be done with either the Power Enterprise CAMCON (which is horrible at it), the upcoming v-manage, or by going standalone.
Brett go get a dam standalone already so you can have some 2 step launch control, real a/f and ignition tune and finally shut up all the zpi kit owners lol. With a standalone and motor mounts you know your gonna be in the 11's so tell your girl to start hittin the pole harder a couple extra nights a week lol
All modern cars now have short term fuel trims (closed loop tuning) and long term fuel trims (open loop) on their stock ECU's. If you get all the short term fuel trims in check (partial throttle driving habit learning) that contribute towards the long term fuel trims, it will make WOT easier and more consistant when tuned in the sense that it won't be "overridden" as you say.
But if you go standalone...you'll have full control over ignition maps, undisturbed A/F ratio tuning, AND VVT- tuning without having to appease the closed loop Gods. IMO going emanage on a turbo application is not the way to go. Superchargers emulate off of NA characteristics, so they haven't been as problematic to tune as turbos. You could get WAY more out of your setup if you go standalone, or add the v-manage to your setup. Tuning is not something you want to skimp out of. especially with piggybacks. The only reasons I'd condone it is if you want to stay OBDII compliant to pass inspections by places that don't do visual or tail pipe tests, or if you don't think you'll be able to program the standalone to monitor knock for you (stock knock sensor goes bye bye when going standalone)...which is a very good reason in itself.
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Originally Posted by brett561tc
i had a feeling you would try and talk ****. first off let me just say that no matter what, i'll allways be faster than you. :D and yes i do know that if i run a bigger tire i can get more mph. problem is i cant run a bigger tire. also i dont know where you get the idea that jason lopes is running a stock diff in his car? you're making me start to wonder where you get your information. but keep running your worthless mouth travis, its nice to know i still get under your skin.
Oh, you Know I was going to bust your ***** (as you always like to try with me). And no, no matter what you will NOT always be faster than me. You trapped one mph faster, and spent how much more money...
Built motor, slicks, more hp and I was on Drag radials (might as well say street tires), stock motor and less power and still only one mph slower... Sounds like you need to learn to drive your car... When they posted the specs on the 10sec it listed "Stock Transmission". That's where the info came from. Besides that, there are others that ran faster still on stock tranny's, and some that were using the Phantom Grip LSD. Sounds like you need to Open mouth and Insert Foot.... It's not my fault your rather "full of it" most of the time.12.63 @ 112mph <----------zpi stage 1
12.69 @ 110mph <----------peakboost stage 3
When you going to add that to your sig?
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Originally Posted by brett561tc
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by brett561tc
wow, quite the response. sorry folks no 11's. the stock diff will not let me launch. my best was a 12.69 @110 with a 2.1 60'. the thing is. i preloaded up to 4500rps. and dumped it. insted of launching the thing just fell flat on its face. so i let air out of the tires, but my 60' got even worse. so i let more out. my last run was a 60' of 2.7 the diff is in bad shape. the more grip i had, the more damage i did to the diff. until i get a lsd, i wont see 11's. i'll try and go back soon and run more psi tn the slicks so that it catches as the wheels are spining on the launch, and i might be able to get low 12's. once the car gets rolling it pulls like crazy. but it cant take the torque of a hard launch. so we'll see what happens with more psi in the tires next time. im hitting the rev limiter in fourth alot sooner. it hits right at about the 1000'. still doesnt leave me enough time two shift into fith and gain speed. so my trap speed will stay at 112 until i raise the redline.
the stock diff will not let me launch. my best was a 12.69 @110 with a 2.1 60'. the thing is. i preloaded up to 4500rps. and dumped it. insted of launching the thing just fell flat on its face. so i let air out of the tires, but my 60' got even worse. so i let more out. my last run was a 60' of 2.7 the diff is in bad shape. the more grip i had, the more damage i did to the diff. until i get a lsd, i wont see 11's. i'll try and go back soon and run more psi tn the slicks so that it catches as the wheels are spining on the launch, and i might be able to get low 12's. once the car gets rolling it pulls like crazy. but it cant take the torque of a hard launch. so we'll see what happens with more psi in the tires next time. im hitting the rev limiter in fourth alot sooner. it hits right at about the 1000'. still doesnt leave me enough time two shift into fith and gain speed. so my trap speed will stay at 112 until i raise the redline.not trying to but in but the whole tire thing is kinda getting better for us... you can run a hoosier 17inch slick its on there site drag slick 225/45/17 or Mickey Thompsan has a motorcyle slick which ends up 26x8.5.17 or you can use 26x8.5x15 you see we can't fit 26x9.5 or10 inch wides but 8.5 will work so
also the scion that went 10.5 was stock trans at first then went to LSD so maybe you should do some research on drag racing before you claim and get all these people pantys in a bundle and run the same time and then come on here and make excuses which quote some cool guy "excuses are like buttholes everyones got one" good job on the 12.6 buttt better luck next time.Are you not aware that your tire specs can alter the RPM at which you cross the 1/4 mile line? Raise the rev limit if you want, or make a more simple approach and change the tire specs. The diff crapping out, I find hard to believe. First your clutch was slipping yet you ran 12.6 still. You upgrade the clutch and still run 12.6 (even a couple of tenths slower). Ones before that have ran low 12's were on stock tranny. Heck, the Hal (forget full name) ran 10.5 @ 140 on a stock transmission, and you would have us believe you are putting down some major TQ that exceeds the Stock diff...Not likely. Especially when the tranny has seen 10's in the 1/4 mile.
Where is AJ to give me the run down on the latest in "Bench Racing", seeing as how he was talking all that mess about the new kit being SUPER UBER superior over what you use to have? People will never learn will they.
Originally Posted by brett561tc
Originally Posted by nebster
well that sucks there wasn't much improvement over the zpi stage 1. I guess there is such a thing as too much power (if you can't control it). But either way we all know that if theres anyone to do it its you. GL
Much more Power?
I recall only a 28whp increase. You spent all that money and ran a slower time than you did with the 16G...
What happen to it being the "Real man's turbo"? I don't take the liberty to just start talking ****, but in this case I'll make an exception, cause had this been me, you would be all over that **** like white on rice....
That and you talked so much crap about how your stuff was going to be so much better. You spent how much again to run the same times?PS....you said you want a piece of the Z when I get Twins on it. Off the shelf GReddy TT kit, 400whp Z will do low 12's at worst, and high 11's easy on a stock motor just to let you know what you are taking on.
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Originally Posted by brett561tc
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by brett561tc
wow, quite the response. sorry folks no 11's. the stock diff will not let me launch. my best was a 12.69 @110 with a 2.1 60'. the thing is. i preloaded up to 4500rps. and dumped it. insted of launching the thing just fell flat on its face. so i let air out of the tires, but my 60' got even worse. so i let more out. my last run was a 60' of 2.7 the diff is in bad shape. the more grip i had, the more damage i did to the diff. until i get a lsd, i wont see 11's. i'll try and go back soon and run more psi tn the slicks so that it catches as the wheels are spining on the launch, and i might be able to get low 12's. once the car gets rolling it pulls like crazy. but it cant take the torque of a hard launch. so we'll see what happens with more psi in the tires next time. im hitting the rev limiter in fourth alot sooner. it hits right at about the 1000'. still doesnt leave me enough time two shift into fith and gain speed. so my trap speed will stay at 112 until i raise the redline.
the stock diff will not let me launch. my best was a 12.69 @110 with a 2.1 60'. the thing is. i preloaded up to 4500rps. and dumped it. insted of launching the thing just fell flat on its face. so i let air out of the tires, but my 60' got even worse. so i let more out. my last run was a 60' of 2.7 the diff is in bad shape. the more grip i had, the more damage i did to the diff. until i get a lsd, i wont see 11's. i'll try and go back soon and run more psi tn the slicks so that it catches as the wheels are spining on the launch, and i might be able to get low 12's. once the car gets rolling it pulls like crazy. but it cant take the torque of a hard launch. so we'll see what happens with more psi in the tires next time. im hitting the rev limiter in fourth alot sooner. it hits right at about the 1000'. still doesnt leave me enough time two shift into fith and gain speed. so my trap speed will stay at 112 until i raise the redline.Are you not aware that your tire specs can alter the RPM at which you cross the 1/4 mile line? Raise the rev limit if you want, or make a more simple approach and change the tire specs. The diff crapping out, I find hard to believe. First your clutch was slipping yet you ran 12.6 still. You upgrade the clutch and still run 12.6 (even a couple of tenths slower). Ones before that have ran low 12's were on stock tranny. Heck, the Hal (forget full name) ran 10.5 @ 140 on a stock transmission, and you would have us believe you are putting down some major TQ that exceeds the Stock diff...Not likely. Especially when the tranny has seen 10's in the 1/4 mile.
Where is AJ to give me the run down on the latest in "Bench Racing", seeing as how he was talking all that mess about the new kit being SUPER UBER superior over what you use to have? People will never learn will they.
Originally Posted by brett561tc
Originally Posted by nebster
well that sucks there wasn't much improvement over the zpi stage 1. I guess there is such a thing as too much power (if you can't control it). But either way we all know that if theres anyone to do it its you. GL
Much more Power?
I recall only a 28whp increase. You spent all that money and ran a slower time than you did with the 16G...
What happen to it being the "Real man's turbo"? I don't take the liberty to just start talking ****, but in this case I'll make an exception, cause had this been me, you would be all over that **** like white on rice....
That and you talked so much crap about how your stuff was going to be so much better. You spent how much again to run the same times?PS....you said you want a piece of the Z when I get Twins on it. Off the shelf GReddy TT kit, 400whp Z will do low 12's at worst, and high 11's easy on a stock motor just to let you know what you are taking on.
not trying to but in but the whole tire thing is kinda getting better for us... you can run a hoosier 17inch slick its on there site drag slick 225/45/17 or Mickey Thompsan has a motorcyle slick which ends up 26x8.5.17 or you can use 26x8.5x15 you see we can't fit 26x9.5 or10 inch wides but 8.5 will work so
also the scion that went 10.5 was stock trans at first then went to LSD so maybe you should do some research on drag racing before you claim and get all these people pantys in a bundle and run the same time and then come on here and make excuses which quote some cool guy "excuses are like buttholes everyones got one" good job on the 12.6 buttt better luck next time.**fixed it for you Mike..
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since neither of you have any idea what you are talking about, i'll just let it go. diarhea of the mouth is something that they havent found a cure for yet. you just have to let it run its course. the day either of you two run a faster time than me, then mabey i will take your opinions into consideration. but until that day it all just sounds like jealous blah blah blah to me. 
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Originally Posted by Simplyscion
Originally Posted by GTRasta
VVT-i tuning for variable valved timing can only be done with either the Power Enterprise CAMCON (which is horrible at it), the upcoming v-manage, or by going standalone.
Brett go get a dam standalone already so you can have some 2 step launch control, real a/f and ignition tune and finally shut up all the zpi kit owners lol. With a standalone and motor mounts you know your gonna be in the 11's so tell your girl to start hittin the pole harder a couple extra nights a week lol
im workin on that standalone. i'll be back at the track soon, and i'll run about 14 psi in the tires.
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Originally Posted by brett561tc
since neither of you have any idea what you are talking about, i'll just let it go. diarhea of the mouth is something that they havent found a cure for yet. you just have to let it run its course. the day either of you two run a faster time than me, then mabey i will take your opinions into consideration. but until that day it all just sounds like jealous blah blah blah to me.
Jealous....
Riiiighhhhttt...All I pointed out was you should pay attention to what your claims are before you actually do them, otherwise you end up looking like a douche. Don't worry, I'll stop bustin your *****, but be a man for a change. You counted your eggs before they could hatch, and you did worst...
Run on Drag Radials and see what it do. Seeing as how your trying to compare to the two of us using DR's and stock motors. Being a few tenths slower and one mph slower I don't see as being a drawback for what I'm running. For you....well....How about you post up your best 3 timeslips if you have a scanner.
PS....Don't worry though, I'm working on something.
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by brett561tc
since neither of you have any idea what you are talking about, i'll just let it go. diarhea of the mouth is something that they havent found a cure for yet. you just have to let it run its course. the day either of you two run a faster time than me, then mabey i will take your opinions into consideration. but until that day it all just sounds like jealous blah blah blah to me.
Jealous....
Riiiighhhhttt...All I pointed out was you should pay attention to what your claims are before you actually do them, otherwise you end up looking like a douche. Don't worry, I'll stop bustin your *****, but be a man for a change. You counted your eggs before they could hatch, and you did worst...
Run on Drag Radials and see what it do. Seeing as how your trying to compare to the two of us using DR's and stock motors. Being a few tenths slower and one mph slower I don't see as being a drawback for what I'm running. For you....well....How about you post up your best 3 timeslips if you have a scanner.
PS....Don't worry though, I'm working on something.
here is a link to the page about jason lopes' tc. show me where it says stock differential.
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...girl&&start=20
