That's about the dumbest comment. School let out for you a while ago. Not my fault you didn't do your homework.

 

^^True, but if the race was longer, the car with more speed would win

 

SL should make a chat room, this post crap is annoying

 

really?

then explain why on these runs when you had more traction (i.e better 60')...





...you had faster trap speeds than on this run where you had worse traction?



are you ready to go away now or do you wanna keep showing your A$$?

 

RHTYM, your original post said nothing about all your condtions your setting up now.

Your comment was:
rhythmnsmoke wrote:
Trap speeds on the other hand are pretty good at giving a picture at how fast a car really is.

thats what I am commenting on. By throwing out all of your circumstances of it being rwd, fwd, traction you are showing that your original comment isnt true.

YOU CANNOT SAY THAT A FASTER TRAP SPEED MEANS YOUR CAR IS FASTER.
You cant say it because you have to take into account all the things you posted above. traction/fwd/rwd and the such.

ALL I AM COMMENTING ON IS YOUR ONE FALSE STATEMENT. I agree with you that traction and all is what really matters. That is my ENTIRE argument against you. And you reinforced it.


SO TO RECAP WHAT I AM SAYING IS:
TRAP SPEEDS DOES NOT MEAN YOUR FASTER BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT TRACTION, VEHICLE WEIGHT, WHERE THE POWER IS MADE, AND DRIVER ERROR.

 

Dude, again, I did not edit anything. I was still typing.

Your comparison only proves me right.

you said 14.7 right (I assume you were on normal street tires).

I had the 13.5 @ 108-109 on those DR's right.

Brett has 12.6 @ 110 on Slicks.

Street tires vs DR's vs Slicks. If you took all 3 cars and magically made all 3 have the same HP/TQ output. And only changed the condition of the tires, you will have Slower ET's between all 3, but basically have all 3 run the same trap speeds.

If your car ran a 108 trap speed, but with a 14.7 ET, and I run a mid 13 with the trap speed of 108 too.....If you stuck both cars on the street and ran them, they would be side by side due to having the same Trap speed. They would be equal. On the track however, equality goes out the door if I have DR's and you have Street tires. It's not rocket science man..

 

It should be rephrased to trap speed indicates your car is more powerful. If you take those same 2 cars in a longer race the car with a higher trap speed would win.

Also, rhythm, trap speed doesnt decrease when you have more traction, your time decreases.

 

OUCH

 

Quit making dumb comments dude. You try to lay all your eggs into one part of the race and try to prove something. Example, if I ran a 1.9 60ft, get past the 1/8th mile mark, and miss 4th gear....does that not equate to a slower time but having a great 60ft?

You are only correct if there were no flaws AFTER/During the rest of the race down the track.

 

Because I didn't need to. It's in another thread that I created like at the beginning of the summer or something....don't remember how old it is. So, the conditions were already posted elsewhere. You are making replies only based on what I've said here, but the op (brett) already knows about these runs and that thread I made a while ago.

 

The Salt flats are west of here

 

Rhtym MY ENTIRE point was about what you posted. Again i will quote it:
rhythmnsmoke wrote:
Trap speeds on the other hand are pretty good at giving a picture at how fast a car really is.

THIS IS PLAIN AND SIMPLE NOT TRUE, due to all the other reasons you give. Missing 4th, bad tires, less power, more power.

I am not arguing the other things. Why dont you get that?
You just trying to back peddle and make the comment I keep posting true.
We are talking about on a track. not about on a steet past 1/4mile.
This entire thread is about a track. Why throw another equation into it all to try and make you correct.

GO BACK TO THE QUOTE I AM COMMENTING ON. And say i am wrong.

Dont add your extra stuff into it, if we had the same power, and one person misshifted.

it is what it is.

I ran a 14.7at 95
You ran a 13.5 at 108
He ran a 12.6 at 110

THAT IS ALL GIVEN. ZERO EXCUSES ZERO WAYS OF DEBATING IT.
TRAP SPEEDS DONT MAKE YOUR CAR FASTER IN THE QUARTER MILE.

YES IF CHUCK NORRIS WAS RACING THE CARS AND THEY WERE EQUAL. TRAP SPEED WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
But I am talking real life comparrison.
ME, YOU, HIM
All three with 1/4 MILE runs all three different times. ALL THREE NO PATTERN TO TRAP SPEED.




DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT AGREE WITH THAT? (without spinning anything else into it)

 

Nick, we are saying the same things, just differently. Read the comment I made about your car running 14.7 but if you had the same traps as me, or as Brett or whatever.

Trap speed comes more into play when you lay the cars next to each other and take traction out of the equation....which is running them on the street. On the track traction comes into play. You see now. Higher ET's but same trap speed has all to do with traction. And yes, traction is not all about the tires either. The track, how it's prepped, etc. There are so many variables that come into play, that looking at a time slip can play tricks on you when you are trying to compare drivers, cars, power setups. To compare me to Mike, or Brett, we would need to meet at the same track, same day, same conditions, and same tires. As this is not possible, the only real indicator we can go by that will give some form of comparison is looking at trap speeds.

And NO (cause I know someone will say it), I did not say I had the same trap speed as Brett. He had 110, I had 109.

 

just to through a factor out there because i dont think anybody has mentioned it... Slicks @ low psi rob trap speed

 

Nick you oversimplified it. Trap speeds are a very good indication of how powerful your car is and where you make most power by analyzing other numbers as well. I think thats what rhythm meant.

 

It wasn't a 100% statement. Just saying that it could.


PS....We both top out at the speed limiter...LOL. So, who got rid of their speed limiter would be the fastest on a longer race...lol.

On the street, most of the races around here shutdown after 120.

 

Yes, and I think Nick is saying the same thing more or less. However, I should have further clarified that if you take traction out of the equation (because you can if you run them on the street), that trap speed in the 1/4 would indicate more than anything else who would win.

You eliminate traction when you street race.

Example.

My stock 350z on Cooper street tires runs low 9's in the 1/8th mile. Louis (friend with the Stage 0) runs mid/low 9's on street tires, so I beat him because the Z is RWD and has greater traction.

Place us on the street and take the traction out of the equation, he should be right next to me, or pull on me.

On DR's the stock Z would run 8's in the 1/8th as well as the tC, but past the 8th, it's lights out for the Z down to the 1/4 mile because traction is no longer an issue with the FWD tC after that point.

 

One thing I dont understand is how do you eliminate the traction variable on street?

 

you dont. you just eliminate the skill of the driver from the equation.

 

Thanks for proving me right by the way Brett. The MORE you spin the tires the higher your trap speed is going to be. The LESS you spin the tires your trap speed can/possibly decrease.

You pointed that out when you said....

Its just another way of saying the same thing....that

Trap speed decreases when you have more traction....