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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 08:10 AM
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Now you can add this into the mix, with a 12psi pulley, and either Greddy Ultm or UniChip tuned coming soon.

Old Jun 14, 2007 | 02:00 PM
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yea i been lookin at the zpi stage 0 too. but dnt u gota buy a bunch of other ____ when u go turbo.. like upgrade ur clutch and injectors and all that
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Originally Posted by mattieg
Ya but isnt a turn around for a stage zero like 6 months... im thinking with the new price drop a supercharger would fit my needs. But I know I will want more. Check out the dezod s1, turbo toyotas stage one, zpi stage 0 or even treadstone. Get some ideas of what you want and wait a couple months and see what happens. If you still have your heart set on that one thing then go for it, wether it be a supercharger or turbo.
6 months was last years shipping time when they first started trying to meet the demand. It's more like 2-3 weeks like everyone else now.
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yea i been lookin at the zpi stage 0 too. but dnt u gota buy a bunch of other poop when u go turbo.. like upgrade ur clutch and injectors and all that
No, you really don't need a new clutch or injectors with the stage 0. The only thing you should buy is a BOV. But I would recommend buying an engine management system and bigger injectors, just to make it easier to tune and safer to run.

EDIT: I take that back. I just read a thread which says you need injectors if you turbocharge an automatic. You don't need them if you drive a manual.
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No quarter mile runs, only 1/8 low 9's average with 9.19 being my best... and dont ask me to furbish any timeslips I lost them... All I have is the video of my 9.19 @ 77mph. mods at the time were. NST 9.5psi pulley, MMW Header, HKS axle back, and whp at the time was 222.90 and tq at 193.73, don't have a scanner up and running right now so I snaped a pic of the dyno sheet...

This was before and after Brian at Fujita did R&D for a CAI for s/c tCs. The before is with the listed parts above, minus the CAI of couse.

That's what I suspected. Not a stock S/C'er setup. With those mods, I can see you getting the 9.19 now. KillaSpiceTSW was referring to a Stock S/C'er when he said "3 grand you will only take bout half a second off your 0-60".

Seeing as how you are not stock, this does not apply to you. To which I have to agree with KillaSpice on, 3g's for half a second...not my cup of tea.
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Originally Posted by 06SuperWhite_SoCal_tC
Now you can add this into the mix, with a 12psi pulley, and either Greddy Ultm or UniChip tuned coming soon.



You are aware that you will loose PSI with that intercooler right? Methanol Injection probably would have been a better route.
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WOOOOO, what else do you have....i thought the super charger only gave 200 hp, you have to hae something else in it!!!!?
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Originally Posted by 06SuperWhite_SoCal_tC
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
LOL....and yet STILL no evidence that it even runs.

Anyhow, back on topic......doesn't this thread seam all to familar?


Originally Posted by 06SuperWhite Solcal tC
LoL Roll On Floor Laughing 1/2 a second on your 0-60 and 1/4mile. Right, that's how I ran a 9.19 in the 1/8, that's a full second off 1/8mile time alone giving more than a second off 1/4mile for sure.
I can't remember if you said you were on a Stock S/C'er when you ran that 9.19. Was it your constant time, or a one hit wonder? If a one time thing, what were your constant times?

What have you ran in the 1/4 so far?
No quarter mile runs, only 1/8 low 9's average with 9.19 being my best... and dont ask me to furbish any timeslips I lost them... All I have is the video of my 9.19 @ 77mph. mods at the time were. NST 9.5psi pulley, MMW Header, HKS axle back, and whp at the time was 222.90 and tq at 193.73, don't have a scanner up and running right now so I snaped a pic of the dyno sheet...




This was before and after Brian at Fujita did R&D for a CAI for s/c tCs. The before is with the listed parts above, minus the CAI of couse.


my above comment was in reply to this!
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by 06SuperWhite_SoCal_tC
Now you can add this into the mix, with a 12psi pulley, and either Greddy Ultm or UniChip tuned coming soon.



You are aware that you will loose PSI with that intercooler right? Methanol Injection probably would have been a better route.
The point of intercooling is to be able to safely increase the boost, correct? Im aware I may lose a psi or 2, but im going to be installing, havent decided yet, a 12-14psi pulley.
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Originally Posted by Gymo
Originally Posted by 06SuperWhite_SoCal_tC
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
LOL....and yet STILL no evidence that it even runs.

Anyhow, back on topic......doesn't this thread seam all to familar?


Originally Posted by 06SuperWhite Solcal tC
LoL Roll On Floor Laughing 1/2 a second on your 0-60 and 1/4mile. Right, that's how I ran a 9.19 in the 1/8, that's a full second off 1/8mile time alone giving more than a second off 1/4mile for sure.
I can't remember if you said you were on a Stock S/C'er when you ran that 9.19. Was it your constant time, or a one hit wonder? If a one time thing, what were your constant times?

What have you ran in the 1/4 so far?
No quarter mile runs, only 1/8 low 9's average with 9.19 being my best... and dont ask me to furbish any timeslips I lost them... All I have is the video of my 9.19 @ 77mph. mods at the time were. NST 9.5psi pulley, MMW Header, HKS axle back, and whp at the time was 222.90 and tq at 193.73, don't have a scanner up and running right now so I snaped a pic of the dyno sheet...




This was before and after Brian at Fujita did R&D for a CAI for s/c tCs. The before is with the listed parts above, minus the CAI of couse.


my above comment was in reply to this!
Gunna be putting it on a dyno again soon, because my set-up changed again, but that was with the parts you see in bold with a CAI from Fujita.
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
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No quarter mile runs, only 1/8 low 9's average with 9.19 being my best... and dont ask me to furbish any timeslips I lost them... All I have is the video of my 9.19 @ 77mph. mods at the time were. NST 9.5psi pulley, MMW Header, HKS axle back, and whp at the time was 222.90 and tq at 193.73, don't have a scanner up and running right now so I snaped a pic of the dyno sheet...

This was before and after Brian at Fujita did R&D for a CAI for s/c tCs. The before is with the listed parts above, minus the CAI of couse.

That's what I suspected. Not a stock S/C'er setup. With those mods, I can see you getting the 9.19 now. KillaSpiceTSW was referring to a Stock S/C'er when he said "3 grand you will only take bout half a second off your 0-60".



Seeing as how you are not stock, this does not apply to you. To which I have to agree with KillaSpice on, 3g's for half a second...not my cup of tea.
Ok, I understand what you're saying. Also though with the current drop in MSRP of the s/c to $2100 that makes things more interesting. Unless he has a 07, then it's still 3k. But 3k + 550 for MMW header + $100 for NST pulley + $300 for HKS axleback gets you the times I netted in the 1/8.
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Originally Posted by 06SuperWhite_SoCal_tC
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Now you can add this into the mix, with a 12psi pulley, and either Greddy Ultm or UniChip tuned coming soon.



You are aware that you will loose PSI with that intercooler right? Methanol Injection probably would have been a better route.
The point of intercooling is to be able to safely increase the boost, correct? Im aware I may lose a psi or 2, but im going to be installing, havent decided yet, a 12-14psi pulley.

I am aware of that, just thought I would point it out that you could get the same effects with Meth inject and not have to spend the money on an Intercooler + extra pulley to make up for the loss of PSI with your S/C'er.
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Originally Posted by 06SuperWhite_SoCal_tC
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Originally Posted by 06SuperWhite_SoCal_tC
No quarter mile runs, only 1/8 low 9's average with 9.19 being my best... and dont ask me to furbish any timeslips I lost them... All I have is the video of my 9.19 @ 77mph. mods at the time were. NST 9.5psi pulley, MMW Header, HKS axle back, and whp at the time was 222.90 and tq at 193.73, don't have a scanner up and running right now so I snaped a pic of the dyno sheet...

This was before and after Brian at Fujita did R&D for a CAI for s/c tCs. The before is with the listed parts above, minus the CAI of couse.

That's what I suspected. Not a stock S/C'er setup. With those mods, I can see you getting the 9.19 now. KillaSpiceTSW was referring to a Stock S/C'er when he said "3 grand you will only take bout half a second off your 0-60".



Seeing as how you are not stock, this does not apply to you. To which I have to agree with KillaSpice on, 3g's for half a second...not my cup of tea.
Ok, I understand what you're saying. Also though with the current drop in MSRP of the s/c to $2100 that makes things more interesting. Unless he has a 07, then it's still 3k. But 3k + 550 for MMW header + $100 for NST pulley + $300 for HKS axleback gets you the times I netted in the 1/8.

Not necessarily. Different driver, tires, track....etc. They might be capable of running those times, but rarely have we seen a S/C'er with those mods run that time. You never did say what tires you were on though?
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
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Now you can add this into the mix, with a 12psi pulley, and either Greddy Ultm or UniChip tuned coming soon.



You are aware that you will loose PSI with that intercooler right? Methanol Injection probably would have been a better route.
The point of intercooling is to be able to safely increase the boost, correct? Im aware I may lose a psi or 2, but im going to be installing, havent decided yet, a 12-14psi pulley.

I am aware of that, just thought I would point it out that you could get the same effects with Meth inject and not have to spend the money on an Intercooler + extra pulley to make up for the loss of PSI with your S/C'er.
Ya, but even with the water/meth I would have still been getting a 12-14 psi pulley, ya know what I mean...

and to be honest I just really never looked into water/meth...
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
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No quarter mile runs, only 1/8 low 9's average with 9.19 being my best... and dont ask me to furbish any timeslips I lost them... All I have is the video of my 9.19 @ 77mph. mods at the time were. NST 9.5psi pulley, MMW Header, HKS axle back, and whp at the time was 222.90 and tq at 193.73, don't have a scanner up and running right now so I snaped a pic of the dyno sheet...

This was before and after Brian at Fujita did R&D for a CAI for s/c tCs. The before is with the listed parts above, minus the CAI of couse.

That's what I suspected. Not a stock S/C'er setup. With those mods, I can see you getting the 9.19 now. KillaSpiceTSW was referring to a Stock S/C'er when he said "3 grand you will only take bout half a second off your 0-60".



Seeing as how you are not stock, this does not apply to you. To which I have to agree with KillaSpice on, 3g's for half a second...not my cup of tea.
Ok, I understand what you're saying. Also though with the current drop in MSRP of the s/c to $2100 that makes things more interesting. Unless he has a 07, then it's still 3k. But 3k + 550 for MMW header + $100 for NST pulley + $300 for HKS axleback gets you the times I netted in the 1/8.

Not necessarily. Different driver, tires, track....etc. They might be capable of running those times, but rarely have we seen a S/C'er with those mods run that time. You never did say what tires you were on though?
BF Goodrich G-Force Sports... 215-45-17. Not the best tires for Drag, they are a Black tread compound 50/50 of Street/R compound and meant for Road Racing.
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Originally Posted by 06SuperWhite_SoCal_tC
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Now you can add this into the mix, with a 12psi pulley, and either Greddy Ultm or UniChip tuned coming soon.



You are aware that you will loose PSI with that intercooler right? Methanol Injection probably would have been a better route.
The point of intercooling is to be able to safely increase the boost, correct? Im aware I may lose a psi or 2, but im going to be installing, havent decided yet, a 12-14psi pulley.

I am aware of that, just thought I would point it out that you could get the same effects with Meth inject and not have to spend the money on an Intercooler + extra pulley to make up for the loss of PSI with your S/C'er.
Ya, but even with the water/meth I would have still been getting a 12-14 psi pulley, ya know what I mean...

and to be honest I just really never looked into water/meth...

From My understanding

W/ Intercooler (loss of PSI)

12-14 PSI = 10-12 actual PSI being seen.

W/Water/Meth (no loss of PSI)

12-14 PSI = Possible 12-14 PSI still being seen.
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
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Now you can add this into the mix, with a 12psi pulley, and either Greddy Ultm or UniChip tuned coming soon.



You are aware that you will loose PSI with that intercooler right? Methanol Injection probably would have been a better route.
The point of intercooling is to be able to safely increase the boost, correct? Im aware I may lose a psi or 2, but im going to be installing, havent decided yet, a 12-14psi pulley.

I am aware of that, just thought I would point it out that you could get the same effects with Meth inject and not have to spend the money on an Intercooler + extra pulley to make up for the loss of PSI with your S/C'er.
Ya, but even with the water/meth I would have still been getting a 12-14 psi pulley, ya know what I mean...

and to be honest I just really never looked into water/meth...

From My understanding

W/ Intercooler (loss of PSI)

12-14 PSI = 10-12 actual PSI being seen.

W/Water/Meth (no loss of PSI)

12-14 PSI = Possible 12-14 PSI still being seen.

failure in intercooler under wot = loss of boost

failure of w/meth pump under wot = car go boom
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Originally Posted by Brett
failure in intercooler under wot = loss of boost

failure of w/meth pump under wot = car go boom

What...Your not a gambler...
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since when is rinning 18 psi not a gamble.



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