Im suprised someone didnt copy the trd ic - it was in a good spot and seemed worth it. I am just wondering if someone even tried to get gains out of one ...just to say if its worth it or not. It surely sounds like a better idea then the front mount ic

 

How is it in a better spot than a FMIC? It's sitting directly ontop of the engine (hottest spot in the engine bay) and has no direct path of air to flow onto it to cool it down.

 

Exactly!!

TMIC have shown major issues. Look at the STIs. STI owners switch them out for FMIC when they go ***** to the walls with the STI!!!

The heat soak off the top of the motor is INSANE!!! The only positive to it is the shorter piping!!!

Example:

Making insane power:



Not making insane power

 

If anything, a top mount IC would LOSE power compared to not having an IC at all, under harsh conditions. Especially since any air that is getting to an already hot IC, is traveling past the snail and past the exhaust.

 

since it was already done i was just wondering on the results ...good or bad ... I know the pic was taken to hype trd ..because there was not one other word about the ic

 

how is subarus tmic not efficient ? my friend has one and his intake temps are premo. the narly hood scoop brings in plenty of air . and they come with a spray bar on the ic to cool it down even more . subaru ic are fine

 

Compared to a FMIC, it's pathetic.

 

crap will this thread ever die...........lol

 

lol . ^^ . im sure they made it like that for a reason there is plus and negatives to all ic . tmic on the subaru was well planned out . it gets so much air flow with a water meth spray bar on it . intake temps wont get much better

 

Did you not see the pictures I posted? Now go to Cardomain (where I got the pictures from)

And look at EVERYDSINGLE STI that is making good power numebrs. THEY ALL HAVE FMIC.



As I was looking for pics, I even questioned if the STI ever had a TMIC because all the cars on there have gotten rid of their TMIC and gone FMIC.

If the TMIC is so much better than a FMIC, why did these people waste so much money putting a FMIC on?

 

it brought back to life cause of that other track tC was revealed to be using an "updated" (?) version of the trd intercooler not that long ago and dezod and the track tC people were pressuring trd to release it.

or someit like that/

 

they all have ups and downs . yeah maybe if your going for INSANE power . most ppl replace there stock ic because they can only hold so much boost and support certain amounts of power. there is not one fd3s that runs the stock ic anymore . why?. it blows if you go over 14 psi . maybe they maxed out the limits and HAD to change to fmic

 

does the sti loose as much psi from a FMIC as the tC supercharger does from a FMIC?
is the tC w/supercharger as easy/difficult to upgrade or as ready/allowing for upgrading as the STI?

 

Dont know.

Does a tC get the same cooling factors from a TMIC as a STI does with a TMIC?

We dont knwo that either. So its all specualtion. Personal opinion of how it will work!!!

 

i agree that theres not enough hard fact to say what specific stance is better. i think i've noticed only a very few people on here that had done FMIC on the supercharger
and they lost a lot of boost and i dont even remember specifics on the others.
i also am of the opinion that if you honestly want that much from the tC (especially to compare it to an sti), don't even glance at the supercharger.

most people who are gonna want that are just gonna whine and _____ about the amount of work needed to get to that point compared to "slapping on a turbo kit"

 

anyone think of making a baby v mount ic for the sc . lol

 

Nicko6tc -

You are not comparing apples to apples. The STI you show is a TMIC A2A swapped for a larger FMIC A2A. No doubt there was an improvement in cooling..which allowed for more boost, even as a bit more boost was lost in the piping...they are somewhat correlated, but bigger IC does not directly equal More Power. It's what you can do with it.

But now let's look at the TRD proto.
The TRD prototype is W2A. The fact that it is top mount has little bearing and cannot be compared with a A2A TMIC setup

Not much wrong with a tmic in the right application. In fact, you could look into laminova intercoolers...$$$, and mostly oem applications where they are placed DIRECTLY on the intake manifold...with max cooling and 0 pressure loss.


A2W > A2A (most of the time)

benefits:
- less piping = less boost loss
- water is a more efficient heat exchanger by a factor of 14 to 1. aside from the thermal efficiency, this allows you to really reduce the size.
- A2A does nothing for you when you are sitting in traffic..stop and go is your enemy with A2A
- maximum efficiency of an A2W can actually exceed 100%...this is not possible with A2A
- You can add ice at the track for better cooling

However, it is not a panacea:
- More parts (pumps, reservoirs, heat exchanger) means more possible points of failure
- more expensive
- more weight for the parts and coolant
- the heat exchange from water does have a point of diminishing returns...an engine at full tilt continuous would see more benefit from an A2A...most would say strict street use should go with A2A. Dragsters go with A2W.



Incidentally, that trd a2w unit pictured should see no more than .5 psi loss.

 

??

 

That all looks pretty cool. I wonder... does anyone know of a setup that will cram more cold air in a non turbo N/A setup tC than your standard CAI's?

 

but "cram air in" = forced induction...