very interested–watching

 

i know, i promise i will get started on this around wednesday, i just gotta finish up some papers and study for a few final exams, so that i can graduate on time this saturday, but once those are out of the way, i will make it my mission to get TRD to make a tC supercharger intercooler!

 

well, i am suddenly reminded of the last time around 100 people or so got together legitimately to get something mass produced here....

 

NICE DRAX. count me in that mass production.

 

I see very slim chances of this happening.

An intercooler setup is going to run $800-$1000.
Plus a pulley to get the boost levels back up to stock. Plus a Piggyback system to retune the entire thing. PLUS LOOSE YOUR WARRANTY ON THE SUPERCHARGER!!

So with the intercooler:$1000
+
The Pulle:$110
+
The BPV:$100
+
AEM F/iC: $400
+
Dyno Tunning: $400
= $2010



I highly doubt anyone is going to pay $2000 for 30whp. and loss of warranty.


OH WAIT!!! And thats without installation!!!!
Oh!! And add in to make it worth it:
Header: $300
Exhuast: $500
Intake: $150

Wow, I really dont see that many people buying it. but I bet alot of people will talk about buying it.

Just my 2cents tho.

 

if you would be so kind, please enlighten me as to what you are talking about and what went wrong.

but anyway, thinking about it, it would make more sense now to trd for them to release an intercooler for the supercharber because:

1. more people are supercharged since they price for the 05-06 supercharged dropped down so much. i mean, about $4100 installed for 40 warrantied horsepower was a pretty steep price to swallow, especially considering how most tC owners are high school and college students. now that sparks has sold so many for half that price, there are many more supercharged tC owners craving more horsepower, and since the supercharger is limited by a lack of cooling options because some people fear water/meth injection, and a FMIC means losing 2 psi, many of them actually sell the supercharger and have started forking out thousands of dollars for turbo's. why doesn't TRD want that money?

2. The intercooler would also work with the 07-08 models tc also, then could be made to fit the 08+ xB, and the corolla and matrix XRS.

i mean, i suppose one thing that might be holding TRD back would be what to do about tuning, since the supercharger reflash would have to be changed since the air density with the intercooler might unsettle them, they might feel they have to provide another computer reflash to work with the intercooler.

 

well, he said it would only be available as a race only part.

also, why do you say only 30 hp?

9.5 pulley, 20 whp, intake, 10 hp, full exhaust, 15 hp, so we are already up to 45 whp gained.

then the intercooler lets you do even more than that because you can take the psi up further to 11 or 12 psi, make another 20 or 30 hp, and tun with a piggyback ecu.

so you can make up to another 75 hp. hell, we could make it to 30 whp probably.

 

^ You are NOT going to gain 10whp from an intake on a S/C.

 

what went wrong is they couldn't get it to happen and it ended up a as a $2,000+ lost cause. this is after 100 people signed up and even helped fund the project, they had working protoypes and all and it was just a headlight!

the trd top mount does look pretty though, but i would not get one till after my 60k warrenty ended

i wouldn't think tuning should be stopping them, they are still coming aout with adjusted tunes for the supercharger as it is.
unless your talking in terms of the different ecus that may be present between 05-06tCs, 07-08tCs, xB2, 09corolla, 09matrix
that may be an issue, i am not sure.

and i must agree with nick06tC, if installing and tuning and all associated costs with putting that prototype TRD charge cooler is comparable to just running a turbo setup then people are less likely to go that option.

after all these years of using that design and still not having it become a viable option i am extremely doubtful that it will be released ever, even with the upsurge of supercharged tCs, they were done cause it was cheap, reliable and warrentied.
and they got there only cause they were discontinued and clearanced ,

from all info i've read and all the other TRD power options this kit can't be those things.

 

Reread my post and you will see why I said 30WHP. I said 30WHP when only factoring in what you would get with the TRD upgrade. For $2000 it WILL NOT come with ANY of the mods you listed to get that power.

With the TRD upgrade you will still be running stock boost levels even with an upgraded pulley. So a 9.5PSI pulley will only net you 7.5 PSI. Close to stock. The ONLY thing an intercooler does is allow to run more boost and a more aggresive tune. it doesnt magically make horsepower. I estimate 30WHP because the tune will be so much better at stock levels with the lower intake temps.

So for your upgrades to get a HIGH estimate of 75HP. You are talking ANOTHER $1000 on top of the $2100 I already stated.
So now we are at $3100+ say $600 for install. Conservatively say $3500 installed. So for a 2005-6 tC with supercharger: $1850 (s/c)+$500 (install)+$3500 (upgrade)= $5850 and you run maybe 270whp that will get smoked by a 250hp turbo tC.

Now take an 07-08: $3000 (sc)+$500 (install)+$3500 (upgrade)= $7000
AND ZERO WARRANTY, NOT STREET LEGAL, SLOWER THAN A $3000 tC turbo!!!

See why I am so skeptical?

 

Very true. The main reason so many people ont his board have a SC tC is because the price went below $2000. I boguht mine when I payed nearly $4000 installed. Very few on this site have that kind of coin to drop. I cant believe I waisted that money. but at $2000, I see why people are buying it. Its well worth it at that price!!!

 

damn right, i only got it cause the price was slashed in half and i had a kickass deal for dealer install.

 

carbonXe: back in the day, when zpi was messing around with the tC, they made a dyno of an sc'ed tc wit just the lower half of the air intake box removed, and made a substanial gain in power, i can't remember exactly, it has been years now, but they made about 10-15 hp. so a high flow intake instead of the stock airbox would see a healthy gain in power.

nicko6tc: this is a TMIC with an FMIC heat exchanger, therefore you lose just alittle more than zero boost. i know intercoolers don't add hp, but they let you take your boost levels higher, safer to make more power. it is a building block if you will.

now, we can spit numbers back and forth all night, but i have a paper i am writing, and if you don't want this TRD intercooler, than you don't have to help.

yes, even i am skeptical that i will be able to make TRD make an intercooler, but it is better than just doing nothing. i want this part for my tC and i am going to devote some time and efford into showing them that there is a market for it.

my tC is my first boosted car, and thinking about it, supercharging was a smart choice because they are less complicated and safer tan turbochargers, but yea, they make less power and are slower. but i want to continue developing this car and bring its power as close to 300 whp as i can before gas prices make this hobby completely uneconomical.

so either help me out if you are interested, or stop critisizing something i am trying to do for the good of the supercharged tC members of the scion community as well as myself.

 

more power to it, just dont want anyone to be blinded by hope especially with how long the application has just been sitting in limbo. as i said, their prototypes look pretty and i would be one to possibly make use of the option. if it keeps the warrenty then all the more sooner.

and oh noes dont mention zpi you might get some of that stigma unnecessarily attached to this.

 

Unlike most tC owners, I will have a practical use for the intercooler. I am choosing to supercharge my tC because my whole goal with the tC is to modify it for optimal track use, but keep the aspect of daily driving intact, which is something a turbo can't fulfill in my opinion. Regardless of cost and other factors, I'm interested in one for track racing and I feel that an intercooler could potentially be useful.

 

I am not trying to ruin anything you are doing. but you cant ask for peoples help without throwing the entire story out there.
You cant deny the cost factor. It is there and is the single number one thing that will stop people from buying.
So either help people out and give them the entire story or stop criticising me trying to DISCUSS what the costs will be.

And like someone else said, Watermeth is a viable solution if you want to help the community out so bad. Much cheaper and proven to work efficiently. 300WHP has been broken without a FMIC/TMIC.

 

something like this

 

I love how people come up with "random" prices that stuff will cost. Even though it is TRD if they make a intercooler I don't see them charging over a third of the price for the supercharger. That would be a horrible sales move. Plus for those of us that have h/e/i plus a stand alone engine management we won't have to spend the extra money on that . The TRD reflash runs really rich anyway so who knows... the intercooler could work with the reflash they have now.... No need in "flaming" this idea until you see what happens
That's my .2 cents

 

Prices are deffinetly random guesses. But not without research. Go look for yourself.
See how much IC cost with piping. You wont find them for less than $800 (unless on ebay).
And the rest of the stuff is not random. piggy back, pulley, bpv, header,exhuast. Those are real prices.

So what do you THINK it will cost?

And yes it will be a horrible sales move, and thats probably the reason this hasnt happened in the two years all of these reliable sources have been claiming it will happen.

 

Let's be positive about this peeps.
we need a Intercooler kit.
I don't care about the pricing i would pay it !