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Old Jan 2, 2006 | 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by OutCrnrU
I trust him but 3" just sounds really big to me, what you guys think? Anyway keep the comments coming and thanks for all your input.
thats what my tuner told me from church automotive too ( his shop was used on one of the featured cars on honda tuning's current issue ). im just hesitant since nobody out there is making a mandrel bent full 3" spipe back. so as of right now i have megan's header/spipe but the exhaust is back to stock.


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Some people should install the SC with the intake header and exaust and show us this 230 WHP. You guys need to realize that bolting on a set of mods with x HP, y HP and zHP does not equal x + y + z. As a matter of fact, it is possible to add two mods and LOSE hp due to the combination of the two
some people should just shutup. if you dont like it. shutup. if you think its expensive, shut up its not your money. if you dont want to go buy a turbo tommorow and post it here and make me feel bad. if not shut up. too many people are downplaying TRD.

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your right engifineer, people need to realize that power isnt like adding 1+1=2. if you still think that the sc is a ripoff, as i said above go buy a turbo kit and post your dynos tommorow if not shutup downplaying TRD
Old Jan 2, 2006 | 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by OutCrnrU
I trust him but 3" just sounds really big to me, what you guys think? Anyway keep the comments coming and thanks for all your input.
thats what my tuner told me from church automotive too ( his shop was used on one of the featured cars on honda tuning's current issue ). im just hesitant since nobody out there is making a mandrel bent full 3" spipe back. so as of right now i have megan's header/spipe but the exhaust is back to stock.


Originally Posted by engifineer
Some people should install the SC with the intake header and exaust and show us this 230 WHP. You guys need to realize that bolting on a set of mods with x HP, y HP and zHP does not equal x + y + z. As a matter of fact, it is possible to add two mods and LOSE hp due to the combination of the two
some people should just shutup. if you dont like it. shutup. if you think its expensive, shut up its not your money. if you dont want to go buy a turbo tommorow and post it here and make me feel bad. if not shut up. too many people are downplaying TRD.

Uhh GROW up and obtain some reading comprehension. I was NOT downplaying the TRD SC. As a matter of fact, I even mentioned that it was much better than I originally anticipated. If you would read my post completely and actually understand what I was saying, I was supporting the numbers from the dyno and downplaying the guys saying they werent impressed cause they thought someone would get phenomenal gains with the header and exhaust. Read and reread before attacking.
Old Jan 2, 2006 | 05:56 AM
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the rant wasnt to you, ur opinion was well thought of. i read your post. its not to you

i just added your comment and mines. that some should do what you say and that some should shutup as what i said.
Old Jan 2, 2006 | 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by tikbhoy
the rant wasnt to you, ur opinion was well thought of. i read your post. its not to you

i just added your comment and mines. that some should do what you say and that some should shutup as what i said.
oh, no worries then just sounded like you were talking to me.
Old Jan 2, 2006 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by engifineer
oh, no worries then just sounded like you were talking to me.
not here to make enemies

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Old Jan 2, 2006 | 03:32 PM
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Good numbers dude. I personally thought about 210 hp should be about right. I can't wait to add some mods to my s/c setup. What exhaust are you using? Also congrats on being one of like 2 people that got dragstrip times w/ the s/c so far.
Old Jan 2, 2006 | 04:35 PM
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Hey man. Nice numbers.. You definately need to get that S-Pipe taken care of. It is definately a bottle neck... Before I added the Pully I was pulling
208hp and 186.8 ft-lbs.
That was with 3" exhaust (header back, including S-Pipe), intake and Bosche 110. I am thinking that there is another 10-15hp in the S-Pipe.

This is starting to make me wonder what numbers I am gonna get when I add my headers also. I am hoping I can go from 227hp/197 ft-lbs to somewhere around 240-250hp and 210-215ft-lbs.
Get that Pulley on there and you will see about 230-240hp... hehehe, make me get off my butt and get my header...
Old Jan 2, 2006 | 06:34 PM
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i agree i need the s-pipe, i just have to get around to doing it.

how do you like the 3" exhaust, do you think its worth it? what muffler are you running with it and is it really loud?

thanks for your input everybody
Old Jan 2, 2006 | 08:41 PM
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oh yah, instead of thermal wrapping the header, you should get it thermal coated instead. thermal coating prevents rust, accelerates exhaust flow, lower engine bay temps, etc. i got my turbo parts on my RSX thermal coated by Polydyn, the best thermal coating company i know of. which happens to be lucky for me, cuz they are local. awesome ____, and keeps my Greddy turbo from burning down the car, unlike most RSX's with Greddy kits.

www.polydyn.com

thermal wrapping traps moisture, and could be bad for the header and metal components.

i plan to thermal coat my AW header also. it costs $100.
Old Jan 2, 2006 | 08:58 PM
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as for 3" exhaust, there's the Apexi turbo 3" World Sport 2 muffler, but not sure if it will fit the tC without it being angled.
Old Jan 2, 2006 | 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by OutCrnrU
i agree i need the s-pipe, i just have to get around to doing it.

how do you like the 3" exhaust, do you think its worth it? what muffler are you running with it and is it really loud?

thanks for your input everybody
Hmmm.. Is it loud? HAHA.. it kinda sounds like a jet taking off, especially at high boost... I would say that a 2.5 is big enough unless you are looking at 14lbs of boost or more.
I am running a Magnaflow muffler. I need to try and remember what muffler I am running, I will try and get some video if I can. But I really think it sounds good. You will have to ask some people that have heard it. I will try and get them to post in here.

Again, after the pulley you and I will be right neck and neck.. lol.. gonna make me get my azz in gear.. Thanks

Oh and just to let you know, snaking a 3" S-Pipe isnt gonna be easy, I had a 3" mandrel bent S-Pipe on my first tC and when we moved it to my SW S/C one it wouldnt fit, so I had to have another 3" S-pipe bent at a muffler shop, so it isnt really 3", more like 2.75 at the bends, but it fits like a glove. I hope you get what I am saying.. lol.. I cant tell if I explained it well..
Old Jan 3, 2006 | 01:59 AM
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I wish people did stock pull and post-SC install/mod pull. On the same dyno.

I got about 65whp gain with SC/short ram/ZPI pulley. 46% gain, car sounds stock, and it's way better than 25% that TRD promised ;)
Old Jan 3, 2006 | 02:30 AM
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As soon as someone makes 250hp reliably, im financing the S/C
Old Jan 3, 2006 | 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by zer0
As soon as someone makes 250hp reliably, im financing the S/C
Give me a month or two... Once I figure my funds out a lil more I should be right at or over 250....
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sc tC pushing over 250 would be awesome.
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ill have that in february when i figure out my ecu tune
stay tuned
Old Jan 3, 2006 | 06:40 PM
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ecu tuning will work wonders
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by OutCrnrU
pull 1; car was still cold numbers were 206 whp and 180 tq.
pull 2; after letting cool down for a few minutes the car pulled 211whp and 184tq
pull 3; also 211 hp and 180 tq.

211hp and 184tq is not bad if you ask me. even the guy dynoing was impressed that a scion could put out those numbers.

I dont know if it makes a big difference and i didnt notice till i went to drive home but the front defroster was on the whole time, i dont think that matters though.
I didn't see that anyone mentioned this but doesn't the front defroster kick the A/C compressor on for the drying of the windows. Cause by cooling the air first it drys it.... I mean it feels like it when driving with the Defrost on, feels like AC like other cars. This would most likely be robbing a few HP and at least a few Tq if this is the case correct...
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Originally Posted by HighlanderMac
Hey man. Nice numbers.. You definately need to get that S-Pipe taken care of. It is definately a bottle neck... Before I added the Pully I was pulling
208hp and 186.8 ft-lbs.
That was with 3" exhaust (header back, including S-Pipe), intake and Bosche 110. I am thinking that there is another 10-15hp in the S-Pipe.

This is starting to make me wonder what numbers I am gonna get when I add my headers also. I am hoping I can go from 227hp/197 ft-lbs to somewhere around 240-250hp and 210-215ft-lbs.
Get that Pulley on there and you will see about 230-240hp... hehehe, make me get off my butt and get my header...


This guys gains are exceptable. 208 hp, before he added the pully, with just an exhaust, custom intake (prob making little to no gains) and a bosche bpv. You're only making 3 more hp than him and you've got a freaking alphawerks header. With your header as well you should be equaling his 208 hp, plus another 10-15, at least (Those gains are perfectly reasonable from a boosted car). That puts you squarely around 220-225. Granted, you don't have a 3 in exhaust, but who knows if that's even freeing up any power since he's still got on the restrictive S-pipe. Your header is basically netting you 0 gains, grab a zpi s-pipe and you should be where I estimated you at, mark my words you'll see at least 220 whp. Add the zpi pulley, and you might hit 240. Then, you'll have some nice numbers, until then....it doesn't impress me.


Now don't get me wrong here, I'm not knocking your car or your numbers. But you said that your numbers were IMPRESSIVE. And I've gotta be honest with you, they're mediocre at best, and sub-par at worst. You're telling me that a car which starts with 195 whp, only gains 15 hp's with an intake/header, plus a bpv (which alone adds close to 10 hp) and is supposed to be impressive? Come on, fess up, those numbers are weak on any car, especially a tC. NA guys are getting 10 hp with just a header, forget about FI. Bottom line is, give me your car and a similar mod list, and I'm making 220-225 hp and wouldn't settle for anything less.
Old Jan 16, 2006 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Woodyear
Bottom line is, give me your car and a similar mod list, and I'm making 220-225 hp and wouldn't settle for anything less.
So with the same car and you the driver, you'd dyno more power? Amazing!



So has anyone this 250 whp supercharged tC with a dyno sheet? How do we know what he's supposed to be putting out if there aren't more dynos of the supercharged tCs out there with a similar mod list?

210~ sounds about right before increasing boost.



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