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Old May 28, 2007 | 06:06 AM
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I just purchased a 07 Scion tC through a private party and the guy didn't have the iPod cable. I've been searching for one everywhere but i cant find one. Does anyone know where I can find one?

I'm searching for the proper iPod cable not just an AUX cable.

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Old May 28, 2007 | 07:18 AM
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what exactly do you mean by proper ipod cable? i have the AUX cable for the ipod. but thats about all i know about unless u change out ur deck
Old May 28, 2007 | 09:45 AM
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you can try checking the dealership or by doing a WTB in the PPC. but do note you do need to have 50posts before posting in there. im sure someone has one.
Old May 28, 2007 | 12:01 PM
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If you're talking about the cable to connect an iPod to the optional iPod HU then this is the part number you are looking for:


PT546-21062 iPod adapter cable

List is $74.19, I paid $64.51 + tax at the parts department of the dealership.

Good luck!
Old May 28, 2007 | 03:40 PM
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I ran into this problem a couple of days after purchasing my new tC. You must have a completely different head unit along with the iPod cables in order to play and charge your iPod though the stock head unit. If you chose the iPod option from the dealer when you purchased a new car its about $250. Since yours was purchased though a private party that is not an option for you. I e-mailed a couple of local Scion dealers and they wanted $500 for the new headunit and cables. Your best bet is to find the iPod ready headunit on eBay or the FS/WTB pages here. Good luck finding the cables for the iPod on eBay. I've seen them up for sale once in the past two months. I think they sold for about $75 total for them. Better yet purchase an after market head unit. It may sound better and have iPod capabilities built-in.
Old May 28, 2007 | 03:56 PM
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even though i bought the car private i was lucky that this car has the upgraded headunit already and has the ipod hookup in the centre console as well as teh aux one. so i think all i need is the cable. i have messaged a few dealers and i am waiting for a response.
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Old May 28, 2007 | 04:08 PM
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I've seen a bunch of those cables on eBay for real cheap... like less than $10 cheap.
Old May 28, 2007 | 06:25 PM
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The cheap cables are just 1/8th headphone jack cables. The interface cable is a totally different animal.
Old May 28, 2007 | 11:17 PM
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Just go to a dealership
Old May 29, 2007 | 03:56 AM
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If I can recall owning one (can't remember if my tC came with one and if I do it's in my glove box or if it was my old xA)..I'll sell you mine (never been used) for 40 bucks. I will never own a iPod so I will never need it.
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I bought an 09 Scion tC that has the iPod plug in the center console. I bought the cable for it separately. The cable does plug into my iPod Touch 4th gen and the plug in the center console.
However, it doesn't work! My Pioneer stereo says comm error when I push the iPod button. What do I do to get it to work???

Please help!

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Old Nov 4, 2011 | 02:11 PM
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I haven't ever experienced this problem, but here are some general troubleshooting things I would do:

-close all apps on the iPod by double-clicking the home button then holding your finger on any app and press all the "-" buttons to close them
-hard reset the iPod by holding the home and lock button until it restarts
-double-check that the iPod is running the latest software by plugging it into iTunes and click "check for update"

Once you've done all that, try plugging it back into your car. I've seen these easy steps fox a lot of communicating issues between the iPods and external devices. Good luck!
Old Nov 4, 2011 | 04:38 PM
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My guess would be that the HU can't interface with the new iPod, 4th gen touch is the one that just came out I think? I think the iPod is too new for the HU, or uses a new interface technology that the HU doesn't have.
Old Nov 27, 2011 | 08:34 AM
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Default Cable = FAIL? Yes. Toyota/Scion = FAIL? Yes.

Originally Posted by shameless1222
I bought an 09 Scion tC that has the iPod plug in the center console. I bought the cable for it separately. The cable does plug into my iPod Touch 4th gen and the plug in the center console. However, it doesn't work! My Pioneer stereo says comm error when I push the iPod button. What do I do to get it to work??? Please help!
To rand0mher0 and jprice -- unfortunately it's not a software issue, it's hardware... and you'd think it would be because it's brand new hardware and it's just too new to work with it, right? yeah; only if you consider... a first generation iPhone or iPod Touch "new hardware"... read on -- and sorry this turned out to be so long... I'm tired and probably was not as to the point as I could have been, not to mention this is my first time speaking out about this problem to a public forum or anything like that... but people need to know.

Here is the Correct answer to this problem.

Originally, the first generation models of iPhone and iPod Touch used the same 30-pin connector as they do now, but it was "wired" to work when connected to a FireWire interface. From the second generations on, they started using USB instead of the FireWire interface, and this was almost a half decade ago!

Citing Wikipedia's entry for iPod Touch:

Battery charging:

Starting with the second generation, iPod Touch can only be charged from the 5 V pin of the dock connector while most previous iPod models (including the original iPod Touch) could also be charged from the 12 V pin for FireWire power.
This change dropped support for charging in vehicles equipped with a FireWire-based iPod connection. Most aftermarket manufacturers of such equipment offer cables and/or adapters which convert the vehicle's 12 V to 5 V.

The issue? They in-car iPod integration kit uses the deprecated FireWire interface, or is pinned that way; meaning each of the 30 tiny wires (pins) that form the connector have a very specific order and mapping which defines what each wire does, etc. USB and FireWire have two completely different mappings of what each of those pin positions do. Effectively, let's just pretend pins 28, 29 and 30 were used to charge FireWire devices. 28 would be positive, 29 negative, and 30 ground. When Apple changed the interface to USB, the cable no longer was touching the correct pins; because again, let's pretend the USB interface uses pins 12, 13 and 14 for that same purpose.

I can speak about this from personal experience, since I paid the $300 or so for the iPod adapter option. I have a 2007 tC, the same year, I bought an iPod Touch (2nd generation) and plugged it in, only to find the error on screen and that it failed to charge as it was supposed to! I was chapped.

I had an older iPod (the older ones that just played music) and it worked great, since it supported FireWire as well, and thus, the car kit; and YES it did charge the device, and it is supposed to charge it. If anyone at the dealership tries to tell you something different, they're wrong.

So I can positively say that the 2007 model tC's had the problem from personal experience. After several months of companies like Toyota/Scion not even addressing the issue, third party companies began to make cumbersome "adapters" which were essentially just taking the 30 pins on 1 end of the adapter and remapping them to the correct locations on the iPod connector end. I had to pay like $30 to have my brand new iPod Touch even work properly in my brand new Scion with the $300 kit that didn't work.

I contacted Toyota, accepting that they weren't going to do the right thing and manufacture/replace the antiquated DOA cable with a USB wired one as it should have been to start with (Apple gave everyone plenty of advance warning that they would be switching to USB, and even had an interim period where devices would work with both). I think the advance notice was something like 2 years? This issue should have never even occurred. Apple had already made everyone aware of the impending change almost before the first Scions even came out.

I suppose the fault is ultimately of the company that makes the kit that goes from the head unit to the port, and the external cord to the iDevice. They should have made it USB from the start. Then, Scion should have worked with the kit vendor to make a fix available, even if the car owner had to pay for it; at least there would be a choice there... But here's where Toyota/Scion really screwed up: I heard (... hearsay, but then again I've heard it from more than a handful of owners... and you just made the same claim, too) that they continued to install these old FireWire kits into the 2008 and even into the 2009 models (and maybe further?!)... That's two years after they completely ceased production of any model of their devices using that FireWire interface! You can't tell me they didn't know it didn't work. Two years of people buying iPods, iPhones, iPod Touch's and finding out they don't fully work with the factory kit in their brand new vehicle? I know I personally contacted them about it, asking if I could BUY a replacement cord or something to correct the problem. They said no, they didn't make one and had no plans TO make one or make one available! Even if Toyota wasn't the OEM of the kit used, they should have at least made an effort to work with them or find a solution elsewhere to remedy this issue. It still angers me to this day, I feel screwed on that one; especially considering that almost 5-6 years later, I'm STILL having to use the adapter I bought to fix this screw up... Why has half a freakin decade passed and nobody has done anything to even address this issue, as far as I know, myself. If there has been some sort of communication to the owners about a replacement part being available, or similar... please point me to it, but I haven't found one.

If I am correct (I am not 100% positive, but I'm quite certain) all that they need to do to correct the issue is replace the external cable that goes from the in-console outlet (female) to the 30-pin connector (which connects into the iDevice). I believe it's a simple matter of "crossing over" those pins or remapping those 30 wires to the correct order. I gave up after like 2 years, and I'm still stuck using the Zippo lighter sized adapter stuck between the cord and my iPhone4.

Here is a look at it: http://store.apple.com/us/product/TS696LL/A

It fixes the issue for as far as I can tell, though the extra length it adds to the cord (non flexible and not sturdy) pretty much prevents it from being able to fit in the console without me having to place it in a position that puts enough tension on the connection between the adapter and the device that I fear it could snap the connectors quite easily. Here is a question posted on that very page:

I have a 2009 Scion tC with the factory installed pioneer deck and iPod cable. I have a 5th generation iPod Nano. When connected to the car cable, I can play music, but my iPod doesn't charge. Will this adapter fix this issue?

The answer is Yes, ... the same way it fixes my 2007 model, because they're still using the exact same cable that has not worked with any devices manufactured since 2006/2007! That's shameful practice. I can understand maybe one year they accidentally run into this problem, but not until 2009.

I just read in another post I think that the external special cable is a $100 part? They can kiss my iPhone if they want me to pay a C note for a cord that should've been provided with these vehicles in the first place. The fault is on them for knowingly installing non-working kits for at least 3 years straight.

So... your choice is pretty much get that adapter... or have a non or semi-functional iPod kit. It's lowered to $20 now, but that's not the point.. the point is it's irritating having to baby my iPhone on my leg the whole time I'm driving cause I can't put the thing in the effin console cause of the extra part that I was made to buy.

With all my fury aside, does anyone know if they have fixed; or let me correct myself -- do they have a new, different external cable that is USB-based and will allow me to change my $300 regret into a sigh of relief? Or are they STILL installing deprecated equipment from 2006 or so? If I'm able to find out that there is a replacement cable now available that will work with the kit in my 2007, I'm gonna get up in someone's **** about this garbage and see to it that they replace the cable with a working one. If anyone has any of that information and can verify there is now a working part, please.. please post it for us. Even better, a Bluetooth solution for those model head units would be even cooler -- it's a PITA having to deal with the 1 foot tether when it is perfectly capable of using the A2DP Bluetooth profile (high quality stereo broadcast) -- I know because I use it all the time to listen to music on my wireless Bluetooth headphones and to push music from my iPhone to my computers via Bluetooth. It obviously also is capable of AVRCP for play, next, back, etc.. It would probably break the steering wheel controls quite certainly, but I always use the head unit to control navigation and all that aIways, so it wouldn't be a loss for me. That leaves the original problem completely unaddressed, as it wouldn't be getting power that way, but having the connector there and that option if I run low would really be awesome... and being able to listen to music from my iPhone AND actually being able to use the thing at the same time without wires and stuff would make my life, because it still works when it's playing audio... but it's on a leash.

Sadly, I am pretty ignorant when it comes to car stereo install and how things are hooked up and stuff behind the dash, etc... I'll be the first to admit that, but I know enough about the simple concept of pin-out diagrams and I understand from a technical viewpoint exactly WHY the switch broke everything... but not anything in the way of what I could do to fix the thing.

Here are some other resources I found confirming what I explained, straight from Apple's support site.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1476

Note: Charging with a FireWire-based power source is not supported, except on original iPhone and iPod touch (1st generation). If you connect your device to a FireWire-based charger or accessory, you will see this alert screen:

Charging is not supported with this accessory.

You can also see this article about troubleshooting in-car integration kits:

http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3581 -- no trouble shooting needed, we know the trouble... it has been shot... now if I can find a solution besides that dang Zippo attached to my device... I despise even using it.

Also, just of note, I have listened to music through both the native 30-pin connector and via the AUX input, and there is a clear difference in audio quality. The AUX sounds like total crap comparably. FM tuner would also not be a viable solution for me as it would require 1) an extra fm transmitter plugged into my device... something i'm trying to get rid of... and Ive used FM transmitters before and again... even worse than AUX sound quality.

I hate to be such a complainer about it all, but I feel it's justified. Especially when I was told that I didn't even have the option to personally PAY for a part that didn't work from the second I signed the papers. In a perfect world, there'd be a part recall, "hey, the kits we've been charging you for and installing for the past... 3.. (more?) years does not work with current apple devices.... OR any that have been made since damn... 2006." The unethical nature of that also really gets to me, how many people paid good money thinking their .. even their 2 or 3 year old iPod Touch or iPhone3G would work, only to find out... nope. SOL. Even with the adapter in place, I still get an error message show up warning me that I should have never bought this kit in the first place. j/k. but yeah. it does error out. that's an iPhone4 with iOS 5.0.1! Idea/vision of this company in supporting their products has gone down the drain, with all the time and the trouble I've had to go through to end up finding out... NOTHING... I miss my Honda Accord. Plus it had a sunroof that wasn't made out of paper thin vinyl that buckles, folds and goes off the track every time I try and open it... and the broken glovebox that just opens BOOM without the spring part to slow it down... or the absence of a light in that cavernous dark wilderness. and the top of the console that the plastic broke on so it comes off -- oh! and the ENTIRE PART that the hatchback handle is attached to... completely rips off! like i'm the hulk or superman i try and open the back and rip the entire handle/center brake light/decorative piece that holds that stuff in place..

P.S. none of this was due to mishandling or being rough with the things, I take VERY good care of the things I own, a $20,000 vehicle surely being one of them. These were all manufacturing flaws and cheap parts. After the back lift apparatus was torn from the vehicle by my massive, muscular arms I was able to see the problem.... that the part is affixed to the body of the car with 4-6 little PLASTIC mount pieces. When they fixed it, they didn't even replace the part, I know because slight residue from the PACKING TAPE i had to use to hold part of my 1 year old clunker together was still there. The plastic pieces were affixed, and they had snapped. My conclusion to repair method? Superglue or epoxy. So I'm sure I'll have the pleasure of tearing entire parts off of my vehicle in the near future. this thing was a ripoff in more than one way... all the parts have almost been ripped off by my gentle, caring hands... cause they have to be that way cause i know if i use these parts in a way that any normal person would, I'd have nothing but a frame left. The sunroof they tried to clumsily maneuver .. (not having any idea how it worked, thinking they could manually fix it from snagging and coming off track so easily) -- just ended up making it worse than it was.

And when they replaced my broken glovebox... they sorta.. forgot to replace the key cylinder. so the glovebox had a gaping peephole in it, where a lock should have been. upon grabbing someone and pointing out the minor oversight, it turns out they had accidentally thrown away the key cylinder!! the one that matched... my keys... to my car!? So it wasn't just well we'll just order a new keyhole.. like it's one of those old timey 0==M keys that will open any door you use it on haha... so they had to find out the serial or the number of my key cut so they could remake or resend a working one... ugh.

I could go on and on about even more problems, but at this point I'll spare us all and just say that I'm not gonna be buying a Toyota again in the future. It was been a nightmare from day one with them. Not again.... It's bad when I seriously wish I could trade this car back for my old freakin '92 Accord! You never know what you've got until it's gone, right? Like the parts that fall off of my Scion and I don't realize until later on that something.... is missing. f**k, what fell off today and what's that gonna cost me? Oh, I need a standard screw to just.. re.. attach that.... you got one laying around here somewhere? --- $47...?! WTF. They sell them in like huge buckets at the hardware store for maybe 2-3 bucks, max. Oh.... this one has a proprietary threading on it.... so if I just used a normal one it'd strip the thing out and then it's done for... nice... .... ... awesome. credit card OK? ... :?

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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 06:25 PM
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I Have a 2006 Scion tC with the iPod already installed from the dealership car was bought used but i don't have the cable.

Does anyone have a link to where we can find these or where we might be able to get them?
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