Well update..


took my tC in as i was in the affected group for the tsb.. dealer found that the refridgerant (aka "Freon") was actually over the max.. advisor told me that they got it right up to where it's supposed to be 0.99 lbs.. and that if it was over max then the compressor cannot compress all the refridgerant.. result? no cold air.. guess it's the same as it being too low.. so anyway it's cold now! made my arm cold..

and it's 91 here today in michigan.. and the system works good, it's not the best a/c i've seen but it's okay.. definitely takes about 20 degrees off of the temperature outside while on the inside.. i think that's fine..

so yeah i'd recommend people who don't think it's blowing cold enough, have the charge checked..

 

Glad to hear other people reporting it actually being covered - I'm not in the group, but I'm wondering if maybe I've got too much too. Anyway, got another 1500 miles on the oil change, so it will have to wait until then.

 

I know the feeling. My father owns his own shop, so when I lived close by I had all the shop I needed to do all my own rebuilding and repair work. The same went for the custom cabinet shop I worked for before and during part of college, had a key and could use it all I wanted... the downside was that I spent more time doing work for everyone else (for the friend and family rate of $0/hr) than working on any of my own stuff

As far as the AC goes, I dont have a recovery system of my own now that I live further away, but mine doesnt appear to have the issue. It gets ICE cold. If I leave the sunshades open in the sun all day.. it does take a while to cool off (10 minutes or less though), but that is expected of course with the sun shining through the glass roof. It appears from the TSB that the original charge was off by an ounce or so, which is why the sticker also gets replaced. But, 134A does definitely leak easier than R12. Basically it is an inferior product in every respect other than not being as harmful as R12 to the ozone. However, there are now health concerns arising with 134A. Apparently it is also worse for humans.

 

I'll be taking my tC in for this TSB, since it seems to affect my VIN#. It takes about 20 minutes for the a/c to start blowing any sort of cold air. And now that it's summer it's 10x worse. I just hope this fixes the problem.

 

yeah nero.. that's exactly what mine was doing, taking like 15-20minutes to get the heat out of the car (Even after rolling the windows down to rid the heat inside).. and i noticed i had to keep the rpm's up to get it to cool at all.. now i dont have to do that, idling is good enough to get it nice and cold.. so yeah let us know what they find on yours..

 

hmmm they didn't replace the sticker under the hood on mine.. i think i might say something...

 

i dont understand how you find out of your vin# is below the one listed? do you look at the last 4 numbers? my last 8 digits are 50050891.. someone please tell me if i qualify for the tsb, cause my a/c really sucks.

 

You don't - your car was the 50,981st car produced. If I remember right (too lazy to scroll up and read) I think the TSB applies to cars like 24,000 and below or something.

 

thanks.. im ____ed mine doesnt qualify. it takes 10 min for the AC to cool!

 

The last eight of my VIN are 50010095 and the dealer told me nothing pops up under the TSB info for my car. I figured mine would flag the TSB since the last 4 numbers are below that production date change. Anyways it takes about a good 10 min. for my car to get cool even after rolling the windows down to get some heat out. Can anybody tell me if I do or do no apply for this TSB?

 

cool, i just realized we have the same brand Robinair machine at my work....
i'm never going to the dealer unless i have to, this minor a/c problem is nothing, i'll do it at lunch tomorrow...

 

We have been checking our a/c since we got our car. I have an a/c thermometer in the middle vent. On hot days here, the temp of the air coming out is like in the high 50's almost 60 on the highest fan speed on MAX at 70 mph after the hot air in the car is gone We though we needed the tsb applied but over the weekend we checked and the decal under the hood looks like the new decal with the updated amount of r36? Most days the air coming out is in the mid 40's but on those really hot days...
We planned to take it in last week but hurricane Dennis changed our plans. Now that the weather is back to normal, this is on lour list of things to do.

 

Mine is in today for the A/C and hatch rattle TSBs. Will report back once I get report and tC back. My guess is that the A/C will be a little better and the hatch rattle will not be fixed. But maybe I will be surprised. My A/C was really not too bad but since a TSB was issued and FREE, thought I would take it in. My loaner car is a Corolla. Nice but no tC......

Kevin

 

Should be sitting at around 40 degrees in order to cool properly. Car AC systems move a smaller volume of air than home systems, so they run much colder. Good idea taking it in.

 

Just got the word back from dealer that my A/C was "normal". As another poster stated I think the problem is that the new refrigerant used just does not cool as well as the old refrigerant. Mine was okay but not as good as my older cars so thought I would take in as a TSB had been issued. Oh well.....

Kevin

 

They have been using R134a since the mid 90s, even earlier in some vehicles, so that is not the case. They banned new production of R12 in the early to mid 90s (you could still buy what was already produced for a steep price.). You are right the 134A is not as effective, but yours should work just as well as every other car produced since then, because that is what they were running as well. I cant remember the exact year, but my 96 saturn came with R134A in it. Any tech that uses that as an excuse either has no clue what he is talking about or is trying to brush you off. Of course it does not cool as well as R12, but ask them why it doesnt cool like every other R134A equipped vehicle produced in the last 10 years and see what they say then. Or better off, take it to someone that knows AC. Mine gets ice cold (havent measured the temp, but as soon as I get a chance I will and try to post pics. Then you can take them in if they dont believe you.) My Saturn will literally freeze you out of the car on a 100 degree day (I know, being from Oklahoma before I came here). I usually ran it a few notches up from max cold with the fan on low. It never hurts to get a second opinion. Ask them what temp it is running and how much refreidgerant is in the system. Dont take "normal" as an answer, ask them to be specific. It will take longer to cool off the car if it is hot and the sunshades have been open, but it should still produce good cold air afterwards and be comfortable inside.

 

mine is over the production rate but i dont think my a/c is that cold either... do i qualify for tsb or what?

 

Thanks for info. The tech did tell me they got it to 40 degrees which is "normal". I think my problem is that I used to drive small cars (Corolla and Escort) and those cars cooled faster mainly because they were smaller than the tC.

Kevin

 

I dunno mine still takes forever to get cold. I had it checked once already and they claim it blows a cool 39 degrees..which is BS because when i went a test drive with the Service Guy...he was feeling kinda dumb because it was taking forever to get cold..he even commented " It will get cold in a second" which it never did.
I mean i am sitting there like COME ON! takes a good 10-15 minutes to even feel some sort of cool air! unless it's in the evening then it's really cold in the tC but that's self explanitory.
SO i have to get my driver's side vent replaced they got the part in, so when i get that done i am going to have them check it again...i figure this summer they are gonna be seing a lot of tC's for the A/C and will probably call scion and be like WHAT THE HELL!! HA!

 

So mine is in the first 3000 so it goes under this tsb but will my dealer know of this tsb?

Cause i called them not to long ago and i asked a guy if there were any tsb's out for tc's and he said no.

So whos right?