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Old Sep 30, 2004 | 06:54 PM
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well, i think the nice thing about the TRD supercharger, is it will be covered under the 5 year or 60,000 mile powertrain warranty.....can't beat that with a baseball bat.
Old Sep 30, 2004 | 06:59 PM
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Well isn't that rather silly. You are saying that Toyota with it's 2.1 billion in rev. each year from the U.S. alone won't spend more on R&D then a small company like Greddy. Or that isn't as smart, etc. Personally I would take a Toyota engineered part over any aftermarket part any day. When Greddy can build, opperate, and race there Indy car in the Indy500 and finish the race, then I will give them more credit then Toyota. It's not that I don't believe in there parts, it's just your reasoning seems to fly in the face of logic.

And besides all of that, who is going to stand by you when the engine fails a ring because of some problem due to the SC. Greddy or Toyota?

I've owned my Toyota MR2 Turbo for 4 years now, and I would have to say that in my experience the TRD parts available are superior to the after market parts available. I've driven a number of MR2's with and without TRD parts, and I personally wish I had more of them on my car and would have picked them over the others I have on there now.

So don't just discredit or dismiss them immeditately.

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Wow, dude. You didn't have to bash me. All I was saying is that there are aftermarket companies renowned for their work in these types of parts as well. It's not always the best idea to go with factory options, although I do have a lot of respect for TRD parts and you can't beat getting a factory warrantied supercharger. I was simply commenting on alternatives and wondering what other people were planning on doing. Furthermore I didn't "dismiss" or "discredit" TRD parts in any way. All I'm saying is that I did read an early review somewhere, I don't remember exactly where, that the supercharger for the tC wasn't as great as it could be. Big deal!!! It's one review- one in a million that will be turning up within the next few months. There's no real way to tell until people start getting 'em installed and drive them every day, now is there. Didn't ask anyone to get their panties in a bunch over this, but it's nice to see you care.
Not sure if he was bashing you or not, but I do agree he could of approach your response in another way. That being said, I have owned both SC and TC vehicles. The Corrado, which I think you said you owned, and 3 different turbo'd cars. I love both for different reasons. I love the supercharger for when I did autocross. Great power when I needed it coming out of turns and really never needed the turbo cause I never had the car rev'd to such an extent to where my turbo would be more efficient than the supercharger seemed to be.

That being said, the tC will be great with the supercharger. Sure I love turbo setups, and might help my friend do a turbo setup on his tC, but I think for everyday driving the TRD SC is going to be much better than an aftermarket turbo setup. If I was interested in all out performance than turbo is the way to go. If I want something with some good pickup, suitable for everyday driving then this kit will be good to go.

Hell you live in NoVA, I will probably be getting the TRD kit, if that is the case, you can take a test drive of my car once I get it, and you can be the judge on how you like the powerband of the SC. It might not be for you, but hell only time will tell to put all the rumors to bed. I am hoping that it is putting atleast 185hp to the front wheels. If not, scrap that idea, and I am going turbo.
Old Oct 3, 2004 | 02:08 AM
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I've owned my Toyota MR2 Turbo for 4 years now, and I would have to say that in my experience the TRD parts available are superior to the after market parts available. I've driven a number of MR2's with and without TRD parts, and I personally wish I had more of them on my car and would have picked them over the others I have on there now.

So don't just discredit or dismiss them immeditately.

-Richard
Are you serious? What does TRD make in-house for an MR2 Turbo? Nothing. It's all rebadged. When TRD had a presentation at a national MR2 meet in 2003, a lot of the big tuners just got up and walked out. As far as I know, TRD makes no real power Adders for the MR2.. but they do make a supercharger for a much more worthy vehicle.. a tacoma!

We used to say "can't polish a T[u]RD".

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Old Oct 3, 2004 | 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by apexjr
I don't know much about S/C's and T/C's, but I do recall reading several earlier reviews of the Scion supercharger and it being called not so great and something about it "thrashing" the stock engine.
Forced induction is the same either SC or TC'd. If the engine is going to get 'thrashed' as you say, it won't matter by which method you choose. Let's just hope that Toyota planned to boost the engine and gave us strong components in the engine to handle the extra compression

Personally I'd rather turbocharge my tC, and I'd rather have it done by an aftermarket company that specializes in that sort of thing, like GReddy or Turbonetics.
Well isn't that rather silly. You are saying that Toyota with it's 2.1 billion in rev. each year from the U.S. alone won't spend more on R&D then a small company like Greddy. Or that isn't as smart, etc. Personally I would take a Toyota engineered part over any aftermarket part any day. When Greddy can build, opperate, and race there Indy car in the Indy500 and finish the race, then I will give them more credit then Toyota. It's not that I don't believe in there parts, it's just your reasoning seems to fly in the face of logic.

And besides all of that, who is going to stand by you when the engine fails a ring because of some problem due to the SC. Greddy or Toyota?

I've owned my Toyota MR2 Turbo for 4 years now, and I would have to say that in my experience the TRD parts available are superior to the after market parts available. I've driven a number of MR2's with and without TRD parts, and I personally wish I had more of them on my car and would have picked them over the others I have on there now.

So don't just discredit or dismiss them immeditately.

-Richard

yeah i'd like to add that last year alone Toyota made 10.4 BILLION in revenue! yes that's BILLION with a B! and about 6 BILLION of that was going into R&D!! that's more than GM AND FORD made in sales! sheesh..

and as far as "thrashing the engine".. TRD does give a warranty.. so if it does ruin the car.. let them replace your engine!
Old Oct 3, 2004 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sciontc_mich
yeah i'd like to add that last year alone Toyota made 10.4 BILLION in revenue! yes that's BILLION with a B! and about 6 BILLION of that was going into R&D!! that's more than GM AND FORD made in sales! sheesh..
I thought Toyota was #2 with GM being #1 in the world..? Regardless, what do we get with this large budget of theirs? They discontinue their only true sports car (MR2 spyder) and their sports coupe (Toyota Celica) and start pushing the Toyota Matrix. Lucky us..

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Old Oct 3, 2004 | 08:43 PM
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yeah GM is still #1 in sales.. toyota was right behind them in sales revenue. I know that at the time toyota reported that, GM was behind at that moment.. but then for the year they've gained.. what I find is amazing is that GM is spread over many divisions.. including opal, holden (australia), saab.. and they needed all of those divisions to add a little to eek out what toyota had done..

well I agree about the sports cars.. our tC is supposed to replace the celica.. etc.. I don't see Toyota giving up on that market, I just think it wasn't a good business model to be losing money on a car that no one was buying.. that's business. I doubt that Toyota has given up on the sports car market.. not like Honda did when they began killing all the sporty cars.. s2000 is all that's left now.. no prelude, no CRX.. even the NSX is rumored to be killed..

The engineer that headed up the tC's project, Dr. Hori.. drives an alfa romeo 145 to work (according to a interview I read).. so I doubt that sports cars won't be coming from toyota.. Toyota wants to increase younger ages buying toyota, hence Scion.. but the fact is.. the younger generation like ours, isn't going to be buying camry's.. If this is one of the first "young" cars that toyota makes.. I think it'll be fun to watch what else they come out with in the future.. i wouldn't worry about no more sports cars.. it was time for a change..
Old Oct 3, 2004 | 08:55 PM
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Yea, who wants 6 cylinder rwd cars that come with race motors capable of 1000rwhp unopened (Supra) or 4cylinder motors that can do 14s stock and 13s with a few hundred bucks in parts and 12s with a few thousand (MR2 Turbo).

What does toyota have to do battle with the STI, EVO, 350Z, S2000? The Tc. I'm glad our parents are looking out for us.
Old Oct 3, 2004 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dmitri
Yea, who wants 6 cylinder rwd cars that come with race motors capable of 1000rwhp unopened (Supra) or 4cylinder motors that can do 14s stock and 13s with a few hundred bucks in parts and 12s with a few thousand (MR2 Turbo).

What does toyota have to do battle with the STI, EVO, 350Z, S2000? The Tc. I'm glad our parents are looking out for us.
well if you can afford a sti,evo,350z,s2000 than buy one of those instead .. who said the tc was to compete with those cars? its to compete with the si and mazda 3...

your statement was just flat out pointless
Old Oct 3, 2004 | 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by empleh
well, i think the nice thing about the TRD supercharger, is it will be covered under the 5 year or 60,000 mile powertrain warranty.....can't beat that with a baseball bat.
only if the dealer installs it. And since they quote 7 hours labor just to install springs, i dont even want to know what they are going to quote to install the SC.
Old Oct 3, 2004 | 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by randode
Originally Posted by empleh
well, i think the nice thing about the TRD supercharger, is it will be covered under the 5 year or 60,000 mile powertrain warranty.....can't beat that with a baseball bat.
only if the dealer installs it. And since they quote 7 hours labor just to install springs, i dont even want to know what they are going to quote to install the SC.
Dont the guys at Blitz say its like a 10-13 hour install for there charger? I could just see the trd part then
Old Oct 4, 2004 | 01:24 AM
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I like how that site is selling $450.00 led's for under the car, too. Look here

I'll take two!

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Old Oct 4, 2004 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by chucksu
Originally Posted by randode
Originally Posted by empleh
well, i think the nice thing about the TRD supercharger, is it will be covered under the 5 year or 60,000 mile powertrain warranty.....can't beat that with a baseball bat.
only if the dealer installs it. And since they quote 7 hours labor just to install springs, i dont even want to know what they are going to quote to install the SC.
Dont the guys at Blitz say its like a 10-13 hour install for there charger? I could just see the trd part then
The TRD s/c should be around 4-6 hrs to install so I am told we will see when we get the unit no one has them yet or knows the exact cost . TRD told us they wanted to try and keep it under $3000.00 installed .
Part of the install is a flash reprogram of the Factory ECU instead of a piggyback unit or a replacement , that will save time as well as $ on the install and the unit itself . The only drawback is you will almost have to have it installed at the dealer unless you have the equipment to do the reprogram . But with the lower labor cost to install this unit plus the warranty it's still a good deal .

The next scion model to be released will be the DL no pic's or info out yet though :D
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