Majorly off-topic, but please, let's not get on that topic again...you are dead WRONG about this...

 

No doubt! I was driving a $600 car in High School....

 

1) This wasn't off-topic. This thread was about factory upgrades and then the topic of aftermarket upgrades and dealer warranties came, so how is this off-topic?

2) He wasn't wrong. The dealer can not void your warranty unless they have direct proof that it caused the failure. So voiding someone's warranty and refusing to service their car just because some aftermarket stereo equipment was installed is a violation of said act.

http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/magnusonmoss.htm

 

Engine, yes. Electrical system, no. I know a lot about the Magnusson-Moss Act; in fact, I have actually read it. Most people's knowledge of the Act is based on the site you linked to, or some similar source -- i.e., someone who probably has no first-hand knowledge of the law himself, and has a vested interest in convincing people to upgrade their cars.

The Magnusson-Moss Act is primarily concerned with the disclaimer of implied warranties, and has very little to do with express warranties. The portion of the Act upon which all this mindless BS about voiding the warranty on someone's car is just a small part of an Act that is pages upon pages long.

No, the dealer probably can't rightfully refuse to fix an oil leak because of the 1200-watt amp and 15" sub you installed. But can he refuse to fix any problem with your electrical system? Absolutely. A blown fuse? You bet. Rattles in your hatch? For sure. Suspension problems? I wouldn't doubt it -- it's a known fact that extreme vibration can loosen bolts and other parts that screw on and off.

I'm not saying that a dealer can do whatever he wants, but I am saying that "tuners" need to stop relying on the Magnusson-Moss Act as if they actually know what it means. Cars are carefully engineered so that the various parts and systems will work in concert. As a result, modifying part of the car can have an adverse effect on a totally disparate and separate portion of the car. This is what a smart dealer (and their lawyers) will tell you, and they will be right.

 

Not saying that the law is not real... but, my ex is not the only one I know of that has had her warranty voided. I know a few that have had it voided due to engine mods (which really makes sense, you expect them to warranty something you have added a bunch of non dealer mods to and probably driven too hard?). But the thing that caught my attention was the source you quoted. It is not exactly a site dedicated to law... it is a motorsports site. I will try to check with some friends that work in law to see if this is really a valid act that can be used in court, and what exactly it applies to. Not trying to say you are wrong, because I don't know, just want a more valid source than a motorsports page.

 

^^^^ Sorry engifineer this is just first of numerous pages I found I'll post others.

Here's the official FTC site on the subject:

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/...#Magnuson-Moss

 

I have found a copy of the act (passed in 1975) on a .gov site (which is a legitimate source as opposed to .com or similar sites). I have read it through quickly and have not found anything that protects against what we are talking about. And actually, if the warranty is worded correctly, they can do pretty much anything they like within the guidelines of the warranty, as most of the act governs how the warranty is created and worded, and what types of tie-ins are llowed. But like I said, I did a quick read through. I will read closely later and see how it works, along with the wording of the warranty that Scion gives. Be careful of just taking some sites word for it when it comes to law, as we all know a huge portion of what is printed on the internet is hearsay and myth.

 

^^^ Like the .gov site I posted above? I'm curious as to your summarized findings on reading both. Frankly this legal jargon bores the hell outta me and I don't have the attention span.

 

engifineer is correct. I have read the statutory language itself on Lexis -- I have access to this stuff through work -- and his summary, like mine, pretty much tells you what a manufacturer can and can't do regarding "voiding" a warranty. By the way, the term "voiding" in this context is somewhat of a misnomer; the dealer doesn't "void" your warranty, he refuses to honor it.

 

aznJ you are a hypocrate and an idiot.

Unless you buy a rare tucker or a one of a kind exotic you are driving a vehicle that is mass produced.

You drive a tC. Live with the fact that you don't have the money to upgrade. Don't bash on what you envy. I bet if you had the bills you would be preaching a different tune. The point of these upgrades are that they are the stuff that should of come stock and make this car look like it does with everything on it.

Upgrading, and being able to afford it is half the fun for the love of this car. Upgrading this car with TRD makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside because it doesn't void the warranty. I know, I know nothing really does unless they can prove it, but I don't want the hassle. I want to be able to bring in my car if it acts up and they fix it. Period. No if, ands, or should ofs... The warranty is safe. That is why we buy factory. And also because it looks good. I guarantee that no one around where I live has my tC the way it is now. With all OEM things on it and then some. When you put all the options on, it becomes a 23k car.

Most aftermarket that isn't OEM is cheap and unreliable. i.e. the dc header. Sure it makes some improvements, but that doesn't out weigh the hassle factor of throwing CEL etc.... OEM is always the way to go. Yes it is more expensive as it should be. Who wants to put on cheap aftermarket things on any car? Just makes it look cheap.
I want things that have been tested and researched with millions of dollars.

Like the BS in all the car ads... you can buy this car for $19,995!!! bull fooking sheeet. after all the options that you want and the TTL, it is no way a $19,995 car.

Options are for you and you only. Who gives a flying **** what others think as long as your happy. Some do it for the attention, others, like myself, do it for the satisfaction and personal taste.

For example....
I think your yellow calipers are ___. I think your grill is ___. I think you are ___. It is ok to come out of the closet. No one likes a mad and frustrated closet case. I understand that you just want to fit in. Go to the blue oyster and become one with yourself... Do I care? no. Did I need to post this? no.

Your entire post reaks of contradiction. Please admit you are under 18 and I will forgive you. Youth can sometimes make you intelligently stupid. Get that oxymoron?

Just my .02 and a flame up your useless thread.... What a goon to post such nonsense... VTB hehehehehe

 

hilarious!

 

thats a stuck up attitude for driving a scion.

 

Ok enough already... The kid apologized. I was the first to argue with him and now I'll be the first to end it. he apologized and hopefully learned his lesson. If you have ideas or tips you want to share, please do...otherwise be careful how you present yourself around here.

Can we end this now?

 

hehe I had to hijack this thread because I got in it late. If you can't stand the heat stay out of the scion life kitchen.... His post screams flame.... sorry subby, you can't be the only one that can have all the fun .....

 

Then think before you post. If you would of said ''Gee you can mod this car for $200 clams look what I have done...." You would of gotten ... cool. Including mua.


Oh but on the contrare... If you said you killed puppies you would get one of my famous Vote To Ban threads hehehe....

 

actually i had this on my computer from way back in 2002. so no i dont think so

 

my roomate is a tech for subaru (and was one for benz). according to him they can't void it unless they can prove the system caused the problem ie: bad install or something like that.

 

oh shnap, get the little lights for your valve stems and get a light up muffler tip, i hear demz is tha shiznit yO! sorry just gotta jump on in the flaming fest!

 

i'm getting an auto (yeah, yeah I know but I've been driving stick for 5 1/2 years now and its time for a switch) tC and I found some new shift ***** for autos on ebay. just curious - how hard is it to switch? does it involve more than unscrewing?

 

there anit nothing like switching stick to auto!