You mean a 3k price differance, right? Just making sure you know it isnt 5k more than a tC.

 

si looks like ____

if you get one get the 4 door
much nicer

 

The tc's single alluring perk across the board is sheer affordability. That's why most people buy them. You just can't beat all you get for the money.
The engine is large, but not a very potent I-4, and the weight and handling characteristics are substandard compared to Si's and the like.

 

So?

With the money you save on purchase price, you can easily afford an LSD...a quality one and not a dealer-chosen-bottom-bidder one.

I've owned an '06 Civic and now an '07 Scion. The interiors of both cars are nice. I had/have no complaints with either car's interior.

Dunno where you're looking, but there are parts for the tC EVERYWHERE. I can find them easily and I'm not even a tuner guy.

Really? I seem to recall that 21,110 is the MSRP, meaning you are NOT getting out the door for that. It'd be closer to 23,000. And, having just bought my Scion, I can say that I got out the door for just a hair over $18K. That's your $5k difference right there.

But in the end, here's the thing: $3k, $5k....it doesn't matter. The Si is a pre-modded car for all intents and purposes. The tC is designed to have a solid base, to let everyone customize theirs as they see fit.

Also, all your lovely base HP is for nothing if you don't have it off the line. A basic car fact website lists the tC at 163 ft-lbs of torque, where as the Si is listed at 139. So, even pre-modded, it would certainly appear they can compete, since we all know a 1/4 mile isn't a distance race, it's a short burst.

So, if you gave the tC all the nifty internal upgrades you liked, and brought it up to the starting price of the Si, which you clearly said already had most of those upgraded those things, the tC would win.

Can you boost the Si and make it faster? Probably, but then you're changing leagues again. The Si and the tC aren't meant to compete, really. The Si is, again, the pre-modded version of the Civic. Where as the tC is a car that comes with one trim level and YOU pick what you want in it. If the Si came the same way, it would start out as an EX model and you'd have to add the rest in yourself.

They are both kick-@$$ cars that suit different people's needs in different ways.

 

I don't know if you passed basic math in grade school but my math seems to be accurate.

$21,945

$17,020

$21,945 SI
-$17,020 tC
-------------
$4,925 Price difference.

The tC has no negotiation pricing. Dealers do NOT mark them up a dime. Honda dealers mark up Civic SIs left and right. The other day I was at Keyes Honda in Van Nuys and they had a black SI sedan with a $4,000 mark up. You don't believe me... here's their phone number: 800-634-7185

Just making sure you know that it's about a $5,000 more than a tC, not $3,000.

 

I was actually looking at both about a year ago.....i personally liked the tC a lot better but they were both really nice....... i don't think you could go wrong with either one. The only thing with the si's is that they are like _______s, everybody has one (or at least it's like that around here)

 

A fair dollar per dollar comparison would be:

Scion tC vs Civic LX


$17,020

$17,395

The tC is $375 cheaper and has the following advantage:
More power & torque
17in alloys while the Civic gets 16in steelies
Glass moonroof
Standard iPod interface

Honda just has nothing that compares to the tC.

 

I like the Si a lot. I don't like it to the point where I would trade my tC in for it, but if the Si had been available when I got my tC (September 2005) I would have definitely bought it instead.

In a nutshell, it just "drives" better.

 

When I bought my tC the SI just came out but every dealer had markups and I wasn't willing to pay $25,000 - $27,000 for a Civic.

 

You ain't lying. My previous car I purchased a lil over a year and a half ago was an '06 Civic LX coupe. I found ONE dealer in the Dallas area who wasn't jerking people around on prices. At other dealers, an LX was closer to $20,000 and the Si was off the scale....around $23-$25k.....it was ridiculous. I found my dealer and he actually gave me a price over the phone and I headed right over.....20-30 miles away, but I didn't care.

The gouging seems to have stopped, but then I haven't exactly been shopping for a civic lately.

 

I got mine for 200 below MSRP. Hm. I guess i wasnt the idiot paying 5k over sticker. I aslo got a pretty good deal on the trade in for the tC as well. in the end, i made out. I had nearly paid off my car, and used all of the trade in towards the purchase of the si.

 

Personally, I still say I'd rather have 163 torque stock than 139. That tells me that even if I can't ever afford to do anything under the hood, I still have a nice jump off the line.

 

I smell bullsh1t.

I will take that back if you will scan and post your sales contract (you can blurr our your personal info, just leave the numbers and the dealer info).

Do it and I will bow down and call you the king of deal making.

Until then, I leave you with 2 letters... BS.

 

$200 below msrp?

tC after tax: $17,020 + 6% (FL tax) = $18,040
SI after tax: $21,945 - $200 (your discount) = $21,745 + 6% (FL tax) = $23,050

Difference = $5,010


Sorry amigo, but your $3,000 claim is laughable. You still paid $5,000 more.

 

^^^^^ Score

 

Civic Si:
Engineering
Si
Engine Type In-Line 4-Cylinder
Engine Block/Cylinder Head Aluminum-Alloy
Displacement (cc) 1998
Horsepower @ rpm 197 @ 7800
Torque (lb.-ft. @ rpm) 139 @ 6100
Redline (rpm) 8000
Bore and Stroke (mm) 86 x 86
Compression Ratio 11.0:1
Valve Train 16-Valve DOHC i-VTEC®
Stainless Steel Exhaust Manifold Standard
Multi-Point Fuel Injection Standard
Drive-by-Wire™ Throttle System Standard
Front-Wheel Drive Standard
CARB Emissions Rating LEV-2
Direct Ignition System with Immobilizer Standard
100K +/- Miles No Scheduled Tune-Ups* Standard
Transmissions
Si
Close-Ratio 6-Speed Manual Transmission Standard
Helical Limited-Slip Differential Standard
Body/Suspension/Chassis
Si
Unit-Body Construction Standard
MacPherson Strut Front Suspension Standard
Multi-Link Rear Suspension Standard
Stabilizer Bar (mm., front/rear) 28.0 (solid) / 17.0
Power-Assisted Rack-and-Pinion Steering Electric
Steering Wheel Turns, Lock-to-Lock 2.65
Steering Ratio 13.62
Turning Diameter, Curb-to-Curb (ft.) 35.6
Power-Assisted Ventilated Front Disc/Solid Rear Disc Brakes 11.8 / 10.2
Wheels 17" Alloys
All-Season Tires P215 / 45 R17 87V
Michelin® Pilot® Exalto® PE2™ Summer Tires (available) 215 / 45 ZR17 91W
Compact Spare Tire Standard
Exterior Measurements
Si
Wheelbase (in.) 104.3
Length (in.) 174.8
Height (in.) 53.5
Width (in.) 68.9
Track (in., front/rear) 59.0 / 60.1
Curb Weight (lbs., MT/AT) 2886 / NA
Weight Distribution (%, front/rear, MT) 61 / 39
Weight Distribution (%, front/rear, AT) NA
Interior Measurements
Si
Headroom (in., front/rear) 37.8 / 34.7
Legroom (in., front/rear) 42.6 / 30.3
Shoulder Room (in., front/rear) 53.9 / 52.1
Hiproom (in., front/rear) 53.0 / 49.2
Cargo Volume (cu. ft.) 11.5
Passenger Volume (cu. ft.) 83
Seating Capacity 5
Epa Mileage Estimates/Capacities†
Si
6-Speed Manual (City/Highway/Combined) 21/29/24
Crankcase (qt.) 5.8
Coolant System (qt., MT/AT) 6.7
Fuel (gal.) 13.2
Required Fuel Premium Unleaded
Safety
Si
3-Point Seat Belts at all Seating Positions Standard
Front 3-Point Seat Belts with Automatic Tensioning System Standard
Driver's and Front Passenger's Seat Belt Reminder Standard
Dual-Stage, Dual-Threshold Front Airbags (SRS) Standard
Front Side Airbags with Passenger-Side Occupant Position Detection System (OPDS) Standard
Side Curtain Airbags Standard
Driver's and Front Passenger's Active Head Restraints Standard
Advanced Compatibility Engineering™ (ACE™) Body Structure Standard
Anti-Lock Braking System (ABS) Standard
Electronic Brake Distribution (EBD) Standard
Vehicle Stability Assist™ (VSA®) with Traction Control Standard
Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) Standard
Daytime Running Lights (DRL) Standard
Side-Impact Door Beams Standard
Outboard Lower Anchors and Tethers for Children (LATCH) Standard
Immobilizer Theft-Deterrent System Standard
Emergency Trunk Opener Standard
Exterior Features
Si
One-Touch Power Moonroof with Tilt Feature Standard
Integrated-Rear Window Antenna Standard
Security System with Remote Entry with Trunk Release
Body-Colored Power Side Mirrors Standard
Variable Intermittent Windshield Wipers Standard
Impact-Absorbing Body-Colored Bumpers Standard
Multi-Reflector Halogen Headlights with Amber Trim Rings
Body-Colored Rear Wing Spoiler Standard
Chrome Exhaust Finisher Standard
Tinted Glass Standard
Body-Colored Door Handles Standard
Comfort & Convenience
Si
Air Conditioning with Air-Filtration System Standard
Honda Satellite-Linked Navigation System™ with Voice Recognition** Available
Power Windows with Auto-Up/Down Driver's Window Standard
Power Door Locks with Auto-Lock Feature Standard
Cruise Control Standard
Perforated Leather-Wrapped Steering Wheel Standard
Aluminum Shift **** with Leather Standard
Textured Aluminum Pedals Standard
Steering Wheel-Mounted Controls Cruise/Audio/Navi(available)
Tilt and Telescopic Steering Column Standard
Beverage Holders Front and Rear
Center Console with Sliding Armrest and Storage Compartment Standard
Door-Pocket Storage Bins, Front Standard
Passenger-Side Seatback Pocket Standard
Satin-Finish Door-Handle Pulls Standard
Coin Tray Standard
Remote Fuel Filler Door Release Standard
Remote Trunk Release with Lock Standard
Headlights-On Reminder Standard
Driver's and Front Passenger's Vanity Mirrors Standard
Ambient Console Lighting Red
Map Lights Standard
Floor Mats Standard
12-Volt Power Outlet Front and Center Console
Driver's Footrest Standard
Rear Window Defroster with Timer Standard
Rear Seat Garment Hooks Standard
Cargo Area Light Standard
Seating
Si
Driver's Seat with Manual Height Adjustment Standard
Reclining Front Seatbacks Standard
Adjustable Head Restraints Standard
Fold-Down Rear Seatback 60/40 Split
Passenger-Side Walk-In Feature Standard
Audio Systems
Si
350-Watt AM/FM/CD Premium Audio System with 7 Speakers including Subwoofer Standard
MP3/Windows Media® Audio (WMA) Playback Capability Standard
MP3/Auxiliary Input Jack Standard
XM® Satellite Radio†† Navigation models
Welcome Screen/CD Text Display Capability Standard
Digital Audio-Card Reader Navigation models
Speed-Sensitive Volume Control (SVC) Standard
Instrumentation
Si
Two-Tier Instrument Panel Standard
Backlit Gauges Red
Tachometer with Rev-Limit Indicator
Digital Odometer and Digital Trip Meters (2) Standard
Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) Indicator Standard
Maintenance Minder™ System Standard
Exterior Temperature Indicator Standard
Fuel and Coolant Temperature Indicators Standard
Door/Trunk-Open Indicators Standard
Low-Fuel and Low-Oil Pressure Indicators Standard
Passenger-Side Side Airbag-Off Indicator Standard
Front Passenger Airbag-Off Indicator Standard

Safety Features


Antilock Brakes: Standard Four Wheel Antilock Brakes: Standard
Depowered Airbag: Standard Passenger Airbag: Standard
Head Airbag: Standard Side Airbag: Standard
Child Safety Seats: Not Available Traction Control: Standard
Stability Control: Standard

Crash Test Results



NHTSA Ratings
Passenger: 5 stars
Driver: 5 stars
Side Impact Front: 4 stars
Side Impact Rear: 5 stars
Rollover Rating: 4 stars


Scion tC

Engine
2.4L displacement double overhead cam (DOHC)
inline 4 cylinder configuration gas engine
16 valves variable valve timing
161 hp @ 6000 rpm 162 ft-lbs. @ 4000 rpm
regular unleaded
DriveTrain
4-speed automatic transmission front wheel drive
5-speed Manual transmission front wheel drive

Suspension
four-wheel independent suspension front and rear stabilizer bar
MacPherson strut front suspension double wishbone rear suspension
Instrumentation
tachometer clock
external temperature display low fuel level warning
Towing and Hauling
cargo tie downs

Exterior Features



Tires and Wheels
steel wheels 16 in. wheels
205/55R16 tires temporary spare tire
steel spare wheel full wheel covers
inside mounted spare tire
Roof and Glass
variable intermittent wipers fixed glass rear sunroof
rear defogger

Safety Features and Ratings



Safety
ventilated front disc / solid rear disc brakes 4-wheel ABS
dual front side-mounted airbags front and rear head airbags
front seatbelt pretensioners child seat anchors
emergency interior seatback release rear center 3-point belt
2 front headrests 3 rear headrests
turn signal mirrors height adjustable headrests
height adjustable headrests electronic brakeforce distribution

Comfort and Convenience Features



Front Seats
5 person total seating capacity sport front seats
cloth upholstery height adjustable driver seat
Rear Seats
bench rear seat split-folding rear seatback
reclining rear seats
Power Features
remote power door locks power windows
2 one-touch power windows power mirrors
Convenience
power steering tilt-adjustable steering wheel
front and rear cupholders remote trunk release
front door pockets 12V front power outlet(s)
front console with storage manual rear seat easy entry
first aid kit
Comfort
air conditioning front reading lights
dual vanity mirrors trunk light

Entertainment and Telematics



In Car Entertainment
Pioneer premium brand stereo system AM/FM in-dash single CD player with CD MP3 Playback stereo
160 watts stereo output 7 total speakers
mast antenna iPod integration
1 subwoofer(s)


Safety Features


Antilock Brakes: Standard Four Wheel Antilock Brakes: Standard
Depowered Airbag: Standard Passenger Airbag: Standard
Head Airbag: Standard Side Airbag: Standard
Child Safety Seats: Not Available Traction Control: Not Available
Stability Control: Not Available

Crash Test Results



NHTSA Ratings
Passenger: 4 stars
Driver: 5 stars
Side Impact Front: 4 stars
Side Impact Rear: 4 stars
Rollover Rating: 4 stars

 

wow now thats what i call detailed..and researched...

 

This is what you don't get with the tC:
Close-Ratio 6-Speed Manual Transmission Standard
Helical Limited-Slip Differential Standard
Multi-Link Rear Suspension Standard
Stabilizer Bar (mm., front/rear) 28.0 (solid) / 17.0
Power-Assisted Rack-and-Pinion Steering Electric
3-Point Seat Belts at all Seating Positions Standard
Front 3-Point Seat Belts with Automatic Tensioning System Standard
Driver's and Front Passenger's Seat Belt Reminder Standard
Dual-Stage, Dual-Threshold Front Airbags (SRS) Standard
Front Side Airbags with Passenger-Side Occupant Position Detection System (OPDS) Standard
Wheels 17" Alloys
Impact-Absorbing Body-Colored Bumpers Standard
350-Watt AM/FM/CD Premium Audio System with 7 Speakers including Subwoofer Standard
MP3/Windows Media® Audio (WMA) Playback Capability Standard
MP3/Auxiliary Input Jack Standard
XM® Satellite Radio†† Navigation models
Welcome Screen/CD Text Display Capability Standard
Digital Audio-Card Reader Navigation models
Speed-Sensitive Volume Control (SVC) Standard
Air Conditioning with Air-Filtration System Standard
Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) Indicator Standard
Maintenance Minder™ System Standard
Exterior Temperature Indicator Standard
Low-Fuel and Low-Oil Pressure Indicators Standard

tC crash test rating:
NHTSA Ratings
Passenger: 4 stars
Driver: 5 stars
Side Impact Front: 4 stars
Side Impact Rear: 4 stars
Rollover Rating: 4 stars

Si crash test rating:
NHTSA Ratings
Passenger: 5 stars
Driver: 5 stars
Side Impact Front: 4 stars
Side Impact Rear: 5 stars
Rollover Rating: 4 stars


Note: Horsepower, and fuel economy wasn't put here because you can get that from your own research

 

^^I can tell you don't know much about the tC. Some of the stuff that you listed is Standard in the tC . I don't have time to make list since I'm at work.

 

yea i was going to make that list too but im lazy haha