My Civic only had a 160 watt stereo and that was more than adequate for me. I couldn't even turn the unit up fully without fear of blowing the speakers. Why would you need more? And actually, having owned both now....I like my tC's stereo better.

 

Because you have fewer speskers than the Si plus you get an 8" subwoofer along with the 350Watts.
I guess it all depends on how you like a car. Some like LSD, and some say their cars are better without LSD.

 

You know how much trunk space that freakin' woofer takes up? Trust me, 6 speakers and 160 watts is plenty. Anymore than that and you're tempting a ticket from the cops in certain neighborhoods.....or going deaf.

 

again, like i said, he is not 100% stock, i guarantee, and apparently he runs for Torco Fuels!! sorry but using racing fuel is not stock!!

 

The '08s come with a subwoofer under the cargo area. For me 160W is plenty - I rarely turn it up past 1/3 level!

 

What is your point when you said "Some like LSD, and some say their cars are better without LSD " Are you trying to say the tC doesn't have a LSD options? If so, Well the tC does have a LSD option.

My tC has the TRD LSD in it and I love it. My tC is mored modded then I list on my profile.

 

TRD LSD costs how much? And what's the rate for labor to install those?
But no I was talking about the Neon guys when some of the guys said the srt-4 wasnt worth the supercharger when you can supercharge it yourself LOL
It all comes down to personal preference.

 

aren't those two time slips the same exact thing? Check the date and time. Making two slips not three...?

 

no I'm reposting the first one and then another one which shows consistancy. I added a video too.

 

Saying a "stock" Si is like saying a "stock" Evo. The car by its very nature isn't stock as it comes already 'suped up' hence the "Civic Si" name. If it were a stock Civic, it'd be an LX or EX.

An Si is designed to appeal to the racers. A tC similarly equipped would still take it off the line as it comes 'stock' with more torque, despite not having as high a horsepower as the Si.

 

I wasnt planning on commenting on this never ending thread, but when i read this I couldn't help it. When you say "stock", it means how the car comes from factory, an SI that comes out of the factory is just as stock as an Evo or a Tc that just came out of the factory. Once the person that bought the car changes something on the car, for example an intake, now the car is modded. The closest thing to a factory modded car is the cobalt ss or srt4 which have manufacturer designed mods for the car, while still kepping the warranty, but it still goes from stock to modded, not modded from factory.


BTW...both of these cars are great platforms for modding, but the SI will always be faster than the Tc, stock. Why is everyone always bringing up the "oh I have more torque that you" excuse, look at stock dynos, on average the Tc only puts down about 10ft. lbs. of torque at the wheels over the SI, the only advantage is that the Tc's peak torque is 3k rpm earlier than the SI's, but the SI revs faster and higher, so most likely by third gear the SI will passing the Tc.

 

Sorry..mine is underneath the trunk where i would never use that space either...so why not?..

 

Did it 'come stock' in under the trunk or 'in' the trunk?

 

EX Class = tC Class
Si Class = TRD tC (full TRD all around) Theoretical Class

Pound for pound, dollar for dollar, warranty for warranty.


Si people luv to argue that the car is "factory & stock", which is "technically true" but with their blindfold of ignorance fail to admit the factory (Honda) itself modded their own LX/EX than rebranded it. Technically, Toyota could have just as easily done the same, as a matter of fact you could actually purchase a TRD fully loaded tC off any dealer lot (+/- a couple options but still including TRD LSD & SuperCharger) for about the same price (as an Si) WITH a factory warranty.

I know this argument will never end, but if u look at it with all ignorances aside: You can't have an even comparison when your comparing apples to oranges.

 

^ True ^

 

true, you can get close to cost to an si with an LSD and S/C. But then your adding boost into the mix.

stock si - 14.7-15.0 stock

tC - 15.6 - 15.9 stock

S/C tC - 15.0 - 15.3

S/C tC W/ lsd is another 4400 without installatin cost. So now you have boost under warranty, still cant beat a stock si, and payed just as much. The majority of people on here S/C do not keep it stock, but rather uprade and void there warranty anyhow. For 3600 dollars, you can S/C you SI on 5 PSI putting down 240 WHP and run low to mid 13's all day.

So if performance is a deciding factor, than there really is only one choice between the two. But i can go on forever. Its ultimatly up to test driving both to see which one you like better.

 

Since when is using a different octane fuel make your car not stock? Thats like saying adding octane booster to your tC, and filling up on premium makes your car modded, therfore not stock as well. give me a break...

 

if you're using racing fuel, you must have a modified fuel map. if you're using racing fuel and have your stock ECU settings, well... is that even possible without problems??

 

TRD tc(TRD all around including the TRD SCer and TRD LSD) right?
no matter what people say
TRD tC is equal = to the current SI. Anyone that's had a problem with that are just fanboys.

 

A/F ratio is A/F ratio, so I don't believe higher octane fuel on a stock fuel map would cause any issue, it just won't net any power gain so it's just a waste of money. With the race fuel, you can lean the mix more prior to detonation risk and that's where the power comes from. I believe 14 - 14.1 is the theoretical break point where all of the fuel mixture is burned and all of the incoming air is utilized for optimum efficiency. Anyone know what the optimal "real-world" ratio is for 106? I run 11.6 A/F on 92.

Bottom line, if they are using race gas, they're probably using a modified map, and are thus "modded", be it a remap of the factory ECU, a piggyback add-on or a stand-alone. Either that, or they have more money then sense and like paying 5+ / gallon. A third alternative is that Torco sponsors the track and it gets printed on every slip, regardless of what the racer uses.

Could this title be re-labled the thread that wouldn't die?