mine's underneath the trunk...stock from dealer...next the the spare tire...not the Bazooka subs that mount in the trunk on the side...

 

I saw this dude with a S/C SI(comptech supercharger) pushing 6psi 230 whp he wasn't happy with the TQ. He said he will not add anymore boost because he didnt want to hurt his pistons, the factory pistions was at it's limits, he also said "If I was going to add more boost he will swap out the pistions .That is from a SI owner. A few SI owners told me they will swap of the pistons before they go boost happy. remember my boy has a SI and I have been their there meets. I'm pretty sure if aftermarket (not TRD) company make a supercharger for the tC I'm sure it will have those base number of 240whp or even higher.

 

Tell that to the EVO owner at import wars that you don't believe adding higher octane fuel on a stock fuel map would cause any issue . LOL . he added racing fuel to his monster car and it had a melt down. His car is nice.

GARBAGE TRUCK VS ARMORED CAR?

 

Hmm.. interesting. I don't know all that much about fuel differences, but my understanding was that the octane rating was a measure of it's resistance to detonation, so a higher octane fuel would burn slower and should be safer to run.

If it was indeed caused by the fuel itself, I would speculate that the fuel additives would be the culprit. Some race gas uses tetraethyl lead as an octane booster, and it will kill an O2 very quickly. Race gas can also have a substantially larger ammount of alcohol in it, which will absorb water if exposed to poor environments, i.e. it could have been a bad batch.

I would need a little more information on his setup, and failure root cause before saying race gas = bad. I am not trying to discredit your account, but ancidotal evidence does not help much when trying to understand the issues at hand. As we say in the engineering biz, data or it didn't happen.

More on race fuel can be found here:
http://more.sportbikes.com/ezine/art...p?articleId=95

I vote Armored car, it should have reinforced shock mounting on the engine and drivetrain to better withstand a collision with fixed objects like barracades.

 

Ok ok ok
I was joking about the GARBAGE TRUCK VS ARMORED CAR question(it was a random dumb question that pop in my head since i'm bored at work.), but since you answered it
GARBAGE TRUCK VS DUMP TRUCK?

 

My buddy has a DD 411 WHP 06 Si he daily drives @ 9 PSI. The pistons are no were near there limit @ 240 WHP.

 

Your buddy with the black civic SI the stage 2 turbo kit from AJP? how long has he been running that kit? Does hw run it @ 9 PSI all day everyday? Let me know how is running if a few months.

 

Again, the goggles of ignorance..

Completely Stock quarter mile times:
Si = 15.1 sec @ 93.8-mph
tC = 15.7 sec @ 88.2 mph

When you throw in different elements like octane fuels and after-market parts ur comparing it on different scales instead of a balanced comparison. If you do one thing to one car, u must do it to the other then compare.

Perhaps you will find Si people that can hit the 14s with enhancements, but on the same token I've seen tCs with quarter miles times in the high 14s with just i/h/e +/- (intake, headers, exhaust)(do a search and u can even find the actual posted time-slip).

For the record TRD LSD & S/C is around $3200 +/- (without install), either way I'd prefer to rebuild & go turbo, but that's just me.
There's no doubt 15.1 (Si's) is < 15.7 (tC's), but along with it is a hefty price tag. I personally think, for the price of an Si I might as well upgrade to the next car class ($30K +/- range)..
Anyways, stock for stock the Si is faster. Dollar for dollar the tC is faster. Pound for pound (meaning $ + mod) tC would win theoretically speaking.
In all fairness, the Si is better $tock - but let's not forget the Si has a completely different motor w/ goodies than LX/EX does, and since it's already ahead in terms of "factory" enhancements, the tC would require more mods to achieve the same making the Si better off the lot.

In the end, the winner is whoever has more money into their ride, modded it correctly, and a better driver.

 

^^true statement^^

he who has more money wins......end of argument

 

Ignorance? Lets not try and speak for yourself here.

I have gone 15.0 in MY tC with I/H/E only.

So no need to tell me what a tC can do. lets not forget ive also turboed my tC, and have had 300 WHP daily.

.. and now, there MORE than a handfull of people running in the mid to high 14's with a stock si.

 

He has been runnin it like that for 8 months now i believe. and hasnt had one issue. Runs great. His car willl run the same in a few months as well. a k20 is far > than a 2azfe

 

Whocares05050:

Clearly, u can't get past the fact that ur comparing apples to oranges.

tC compares to EX, not Si.

Since u ran 15.0 in ur tC with just i/h/e, u "should" realize that the combo of upgrades would still equate to less than $1000 over purchase price for a tC leaving us owners with still $2000-$4000 savings over an Si. I dare u to try I/H/E on an EX and be able to hit 15.0 I dare u.. And for the record, 14.xx sec Si's are NOT stock, and if ur gonna call it "stock" than I/H/E on a tC would be classified as stock as well (even though it technically still is NOT).

Either way an $18,000 tC is NOT the same as an $23,000 Si - the ignorant goggles fails to let u see this FACT. Even an EX is still more expensive than a tC.

On the flip~side of this, with a good driver and the mods being correctly selected/installed/configured, the tC should be in the range of 12-13 second quarter miles for "around" the price of an Si.

 

Well see if he will have problems or not in the future. It's foolish to think it will be running the same way a few months from now without any problems. anything could happen. no one can tell the future kid. You didn't added K20 is greater then 2azfe. I knew you was going to say something like that because you brought the car. lol but I didn't ask that question. Anyway I'm glad you didn't say that was a stage 1 turbo on his Civic SI that is running 411hp like one SI owner said, When AJP said it was a stage 2.Some SI owners is doubting that claim on 411hp on the stock engine on 8thcivic.com. You dont have to reply to my post because i'm not going to ask anymore questions or make a statment and it will be waste of your time because I really don't care about this thread anymore. this thread got real boring. this thread should be lock a long time ago since it has a twin. lol I'm just going have to listen to my SI buddies and the honda techs when they said it's not good to boost it until you swap out the pistions. LOL Thanks for your point of view LOL you can reply to someone else now.

 

ive heard of people getting flukes and running low 15's and high 14's stock.
but ive never seen it. not saying it cant happen but there are many factors, and ive never seen it lol.
ive also never seen a stock si run high 14's. mid 15's is all ive seen. and that was with bolt ons and exhaust. but idk maybe
how come you dont have any respect for the tC? giving wrong prices and wrong numbers. i remember yours was really nice
I have never seen a boosted civic yet (new gen) but i hope you keep us updated and things go well.

Anyway like its been said before. the better car is the one with more money in it

 

There are 14 second STOCK si's. Get over it. And si is NOT 23,000, Mine was just under 21xxx. And my I/H.E combo was not only 1000 dollars either. I had the MMW head when they first came out ( 650 ) injen intake ( 260 ) and exhaust ( 300 ). But were comparing stock for stock here.

Im not trying to bash the tC, i loved the car, but im not going to lie and say its better than then SI. The si is a much better car.

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zbcy1NiW1x0&feature=related

AJ Performance's 2006 Honda Civic SI gets an 11.966 at the Moroso Motorsports Park with 20 psi of boost using the AJP Stage 2 turbo kit and stock internals:;

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1YzzoRBrEeQ&feature=related

Dont know about you, but the motor can hold a pretty good amount of boost on stock internals,

 

I told you are wasting your time. I already saw those videos. the white civic 510 @ 20psi with engine upgrades. now they said they are 539@20 PSI. Aren't the 20 PSI upgrades includes alot of hardware installed.. Such as crank case vent, Ported intake manifold,Removal of the balance shaft..Adding a oil pump from type-s and etc...? is that stock or not. LOL
This what AJP said, man. chill out, you are boring me. reply to someone else lol

 

Read the info you moron. STOCK INTERNALS. Your such an idiot. NOW they have a fully built motor. not in that vid,

 

It take one to know one. lol
LOL WOW got down to name calling huh? lol I guess I hit a soft spot. you are a funny dude. Ok lets act like adults here. I'm not on here to argue with people about their opinions. I'm not trying to start beef man. LOL
Well the AJP company said they had to do a ton of extra mods for it to hit the 500hp mark, Don't get mad at me. LOL Get mad at the company for telling my SI friend that. LOL Since they say it can handle 20 PSI on stock internals, Would you take the chance and risk your engine to run 20 PSI on your stock internals. lol if I'm an idiot and a moron you shouldn't reply to me. Wise man told me "you can't reason with fools" and "never argue with an idiot". lol Have a nice weekend. lol

 

Y do i even bother.. UR lopsided numbers, uneven comparisons, ridiculous claims are just COMPLETELY WHACKED.

I know it's useless to state the obvious facts to u, but for the people reading this I don't want Si fanboy's false information to poison the mind.
14 second Si's are NOT stock. People who do 14s have modded cars (i.e. I/H/E) and/or racing fuel. Do the same for a tC and u'd probably find low 15s to14 second quarter miles.

An Si does not sell for "under" $21,000 out the door. Here in the USA, there is a thing called TAX. If u wanna claim u got it for that price, than ANY tC owner can claim they "got" their tC for under $16,000. Either way u look at, the price difference remains the same.
Si @ Kelly Blue Book = http://www.kbb.com/KBB/NewCars/Prici...ufacturerId=18
tC @ Kelly Blue Book = http://www.kbb.com/KBB/NewCars/Prici...ufacturerId=45
U CAN'T argue with facts. The bottom line is the Si is roughly $5825 better then the tC. The Si vs tC comparison is flattering, but fact remains the Scion tC ($15,920.00) is vs civic DX (@ $15,368.00).

I/H/E for $1000.. FYI: Headers are half the price now! But again, Whocares05050's lopsided comparisons displays it's ugly face again..

Cessblood was right when he stated: So, for all those intelligent readers, don't let your minds be poisoned by ignorance.